Jodi Arias: Has the Government proven Murder One?

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As far as I am concerned, the only issue in the Jodi Arias trial is has the government proven premeditation. That of course, is important because if the government has not proven premeditation, they cannot convict her of murder in the first degree and thus the death penalty is off the table. And while the government has also alleged murder in the first degree by way of felony-murder, that allegation is so specious as not to even warrant a response.

The government has not proven premeditation, and in fact, could not do so under any circumstances. Without direct evidence, either a confession by Ms. Arias that she intended to kill Mr. Alexander, as in "I wanted to kill to him", or an overt act such as hiring a hit man or waiting in wait in ambush, the government cannot prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. Note that I am not saying she did not intend to kill him or that there is not very good reason to suspect that she intended to kill him, just that the government will not be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And that has been clear since day one. Someone asked me on twitter a question along the lines of "she lied so she doesn't get the death penalty?". My answer, yes, exactly right. To paraphrase Lt. Kaffee from a "Few Good Men", it doesn't matter what we know; it only matters what we can prove.

Instead of proving premeditation with direct evidence, the government is trying to do so with circumstantial evidence. So far the attempt has been, with the most charitable interpretation possible, pathetic. While the law does not recognize a distinction between direct and circumstantial evidence, there is a jury instruction that says exactly that, the inference the government wishes the jury to draw from the circumstantial evidence is, dare I say, comically lacking.

If they could have proven the gun that Ms. Arias used to shoot Mr. Alexander was in fact stolen by Ms. Arias then that would be very good evidence of premeditation. But they have not done so; nor are is the government able to do so. On cross examination, the government has asked her number of questions regarding gas cans. This could be fruitful to the government's allegation of premeditation, but the prosecution has not closed the loop on this point.

In particular, my assumption is that there trying to prove Ms. Arias used gas cans to avoid being seen in Arizona at a gas station by either a witness or cameras. That, if true, would show planning of at least something. So why then didn't Mr. Prosecutor flat out ask Mr. Arias if that was her intent? Instead, he avoided asking her that question because of one thing: fear. Mr. Prosecutor is afraid she will have an answer for the question and the jury will believe her. So he is instead doing what trial lawyers have been trained to do, save the ultimate question for closing argument when the other side has no chance to contradict your argument.

Under all circumstances, such a approach is cowardly and craven. In the particular circumstance of this one in which a prosecutor's job is not to win per se but act as a "minister of justice", it is downright evil. When someone, anyone, as in Jodi Arias, is on trial for her life, she should be given every opportunity to directly answer all the government's accusations in her own voice directly to the prosecutor's face. It should then be up the jury to decide who to believe with all the facts before them. The jury should not be in the unfortunate position of deciding the fate of a person, as they are in now, without all the facts before them because the prosecutor was too afraid to ask the defendant the ultimate question.

But assume for the sake of argument she was asked that question and did not have a good answer for it. What was she planning? Was she planning on killing him since the moment she asked to borrow the gas cans in May, or since she left for her trip from California? If she was planning on killing him before she left on her trip, then why did she stay with him for 8 hours and have sex with him on the same day? Does that really sound like a plan on murdering Travis Alexander? I don't know, and even more more importantly, the government cannot answer these questions without speculation or guess work. The guesses may be reasonable and even probable, but that is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and certainly not proof enough to send Ms. Arias to death row.

As far as whether her testimony is believable, she was not untruthful in the sense she was deliberately testifying falsely. She believes what she is saying. While it may not be in fact what objectively happened, I have no doubt that she either always believed what she is saying since day one, or in the 5 years since Mr. Alexander's death has convinced herself of what she is saying is true (this is called the "narrative fallacy" made famous by Nasim Taleb in "The Black Swan"). By way of example, Sarah Palin says she doesn't believe in evolution and thinks the Earth is only 5000 years old. Those statements are nothing short of ridiculous, completely contracted by all scientific evidence, and obviously not true, but she is not a liar because she honestly thinks those are the facts.

As far as the numerous accusations she was being evasive or deliberately forgetful, in that regard her testimony is no worse than the typical police officer testifying on cross "I don't remember, I don't recall, or I don't know", something that I have personally experienced dozens of times.  

That being the case, it is obvious that the government overcharged her and should have accepted her offer to plead guilty to murder in the second degree some time ago. That way, the government could have avoided this silly fiasco that has hardly made Arizona look civilized and respectable, ie, "bull dog" or "mad dog" prosecution. Once the jury comes back with something less than a conviction for murder one, I hope media will aggressively question the Maricopa County Attorneys' Office why they wasted so much time and money on a wasted prosecution. I hope they will ask MCAO why did they refuse to accept Ms. Arias' plea to murder two with the hopes of garnering fame and attention? While nature may be "red in tooth and claw", do we want that to be the philosphy of our prosecutor's office?

Finally, one of the most disappointing things about this trial is how many so-called progressives and liberal humanitarian types have jumped on the anti-Jodi Arias bandwagon. Far too many people who should know better are demanding her execution. How could it be that the very people who should be cautious and reserved are looking for Jodi Arias' blood? 

Part of the reason is that neoliberalism have overtaken the American left, and an essential element of the neoliberal state is punitive "Rule of Law", which I call Prison Democracy. But the main reason, I suspect, is feminism's misguided campaign to biologically and psychologically equate men and women.  In other words, despite all the evidence to the contrary, radical feminist want us to believe that men and women have the exact same motivation to murder.

That is why so many so-called liberals are calling for Jodi Arias's execution: men kill women because men are motivated by sexual jealousy. Men and women are the same. Therefore, Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander out of sexual jealousy.  That line of reasoning, while common, is wrong. The reason men kill out of sexual jealousy, but women almost never do, is because:

Cuckoldry is an asymmetrical fate. A woman loses no genetic investment if her husband is unfaithful, but a man risks unwittingly raising a bastard... It is not that a woman need not mind about her husband's infidelity; it might lead to his leaving her wasting his time and money on his mistress or picking up a nasty disease. But it does imply that men are likely to mind even more about their wives' infidelity than vice versa.  

("The Red Queen, Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature" by Matt Ridley)

The reason that I make this point is that putative motivation that critics allege against Jodi Arias is sexual jealousy, which has never made the least bit of sense to me. While the government does not have to prove motive to convict Ms. Arias of first degree murder, it certainly helps in establishing premeditation. Now it seems many liberals and feminists have turned their ire against Ms. Arias to promote their political, and completely unscientific, agenda of proving men and women are exactly the same in all respects. 

While sexual jealousy is nonsense as a motive, could fear of abandonment be a good one? Instead of Ms. Arias' motive being that she was jealous, could it be she was afraid he was going to abandon her? These two motives are not the same. And it is the reason why men are angry at a wife's sexual infidelity, while women are angry at a husband's emotional infidelity.

That may be the case, but I don't think there is enough evidence to prove it as motive for murdering Mr. Alexander. She and Mr. Alexander did not have any children, so there was no fear that he was going to abandon their child, which is probably the most common circumstance of a female killing her spouse out of fear of abandonment. At the time of the killing, she was 28 years old and attractive; thus, she would have had plenty of time and opportunity remaining to find another partner.

I could go on an on, but needless to say, there is not any conclusive evidence of what was her motivation to murder if in fact she intended to kill him. It may have been jealousy, but at this point, that conclusion seems nothing more than misguided political correctness.  

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lynne - March 5, 2013 7:21 PM

Thank you! Finally someone has got it right!

Maria - March 7, 2013 12:49 PM

This case drives me as crazy as the Casey Anthony trial did., Everybody knew she did it, what person in their right mind would NOT report their child missing after 30 days have gone by, Casey is a narcissistic liar, just as Jodi Arias is. Jodi killed him because he dumped her, he made plans to go to Mexico with another woman, she knew this, so yes she did plan to kill him once she got there, how could he possibly do something like this to her and get away with it? As a woman she thought once she saw him, he would want her, and yes he did unfortunately, but only for sex. He had no emotional ties to her, to him she was his little slut. She has lied over and over and over again, and I hope that she doesn't get acquitted like Casey Anthony did. Arias had so much anger in her after he used her again, that she slaughtered him, having sex with someone for personal pleasure is not a crime, but what she did to Travis Alexander is, and she should be convicted and put to death. Too bad the prosecution did such a bad job.

Prof. Rabih - March 7, 2013 1:06 PM

Kudos to you sir! You make sense and I hope others follow suit in your school of thinking

OregonMom - March 7, 2013 3:31 PM

Thank you so much for this post, when all I read or see is how guilty Jodi is and calling for death, is it is a breath of fresh air to read your opinion. Women are most certainly different than men in how our minds work! But most important is that she should be able to tell all she can and the jury has a right to hear it all. After all they have somebody's life in their hands. Thank you for talking sense and maybe opening the eyes of others, who I agree should know better. A big thumbs up on your post

Kat - March 7, 2013 3:37 PM

It's a shame that Maria has bought into the wtich-trial narrative that the media put forth in both Jodi Arias' and Casey Anthony's cases, but I for one appreciate your article and totally agree with all of your points. Well done.

Jynnxter - March 7, 2013 5:22 PM

You brought a valid question, then...what other reason would Travis have to die...I say it was b/c his level in the pyramids surrounding them, no one gets out alive.

BeeCee - March 8, 2013 4:56 AM

Thank you for a voice of reason...which we seem to lack a lot of lately.

kitty - March 8, 2013 5:21 AM

I agree with pretty much everything you are saying, but I don't get the part about it being liberals who want her to get the DP. I consider myself a liberal but I do not believe in the DP. Like you, I don't think the prosecution has proven pre-meditation. I hope the judge makes sure the jury understands that the defense does not have the burden of proof.

dcsmyth1 - March 8, 2013 5:34 AM

The testimony of the medical examiner alone (unless the defense can refute it with a forensic expert) is sufficient to convict Jodi. He says that the shot would have incapacitated Travis within a couple seconds, leaving him unconscious and unable to defend himself. Yet Travis did have 'defensive' wounds. The only way to resolve that is that the shot didn't come first, it came at or near the end of the attack. If so, that means Jodi's whole story about the killing is likely a made-up attempt. If Travis was really attacking her, why not just tell the truth about how it really went down? So I am free to conclude or assume that Travis was NOT attacking Jodi. So, she must have attacked him. There's your premeditation right there...

Vivian - March 8, 2013 6:05 AM

Another huge "Thank You" for a realistic blog post about this trial. I am so sick of the blood lusting crazies like "Maria" who are allowing mob mentality and media poisoning to make her case for murder one and the Dealth Penalty.

They have NOT proven her premeditated at all.

She has not been able to fairly portray her side of the story.
Any further trials and Juries have been POISONED by the media.
This *was* a serious trial about a serious crime.
It has been reduced to questions from the jury about KY JELLY - say what?


It has been allowed by the Arizona governement to become a media circus where the media has made millions, and the prosecutor is only out to grow his fame. Its laughable, unless you are paying the taxes in the State of Arizona.

...and Maria- she has already ADMITTED that she killed him, and will NOT walk away scott free.

I hope the "Law of Attraction" is true. I hope people like you Maria, pull to yourselves the exact same injustice that has gone on with this trial.

You make me sick. Have a great day at work blogging hate from a safe computer.

Again. thank you Vladimir for a realistic blog.

Dan - March 8, 2013 7:13 AM

He is what happened, Travis used Jodi as his booty call. It happens he wasnt interested in her but she offered sexual favors and who is going to turn down a do whatever booty call? The answer is not Travis, once Jodi finally realized that all she ever is going to be is his booty call she killed him plan and simple. Is this premediated well considering she stole her grandparents gun then did not call 911 after the attack the answer is yes.

lorraine dietz - March 8, 2013 7:15 AM

I believe Travis, as a mormon, and public speaker should have realized, when you are not ready to continue a relationship with a woman, the sex should stop, Obviously Jodi truly loved him. enough to kill Him.. Travis should have moved on... and not accept anymore free sex. Someone had to die with this sex addiction they had, it was way twisted and their escapades were increasing in levels. Tieing her to a tree, sex on a car,on a parkway, sex sex sex was he kidding... save these fantasies for your WIFE>>>>>not someones daughter.

the ridiculous - March 8, 2013 7:51 AM

Put the dog on the stand. He knows everything.

Mike - March 8, 2013 8:08 AM

I agree with all of the comments and feel so bad for Jodi. Whatever happened to the religious phrase about forgiveness. If you had shot someone in the head, stabbed him over 27 times and slit his throat (and maybe that happened while he was shaving himself anyway) wouldn't you also have a memory problem? I think she showed compassion by shooting him in the head before slicing him up first.

You people who refuse to look at the real facts make me sick. Anyone with half a brain could only conclude that Jodi is a socialpath and cold blooded murderer!

Mike - March 8, 2013 8:10 AM

I agree with all of the comments and feel so bad for Jodi. Whatever happened to the religious phrase about forgiveness. If you had shot someone in the head, stabbed him over 27 times and slit his throat (and maybe that happened while he was shaving himself anyway) wouldn't you also have a memory problem? I think she showed compassion by shooting him in the head before slicing him up first.

You people who refuse to look at the real facts make me sick. Anyone with half a brain could only conclude that Jodi is a socialpath and cold blooded murderer!

Mrs. Elizabeth Zettle - March 8, 2013 8:12 AM

Dear Mr. Vladimir:
I like your words. I know what Fear of Abandonment is. I had an emotionally abuive childhood, two narcisstic parents, a mother who gave birth to me at 15. My parents divorced when I was 13 years old. I grew into being a pretty young lady and wanted "true love". I feared closeness with man because I might get pregnant. I protected mysely by staying a virgin. I attracted men but "shooed them away" the minute they tried to get intimate with
me. I feared intimacy but wanted love. I felt my body was very special and I wasn't going to let anyone know it until true love came along. As a result, many a dates "dumped me". Rejection was
the very feeling I never wanted with a man. As a result, I never allowed myself intimacy because I too, like Jodi Arias, couldn't face Fear of Abandonment.. Fortunately for me, I always said God took care of drunks, babies, and Liz. At age 23, I met a good man (who wasn't my Prince Charming) and I decided to marry him. At age 23, I still didn't know I was suffering "Fear of Abandonment". between us. Fortunately for me, life went on, we had two terrific sons and enjoyed our parenting years. At 25 years of marriage, my husband fell into a serious affair. When I found out, my personality went into a
serious rage and it was the most awful experience of my life. My husband, the man I chose, had "Abandoned Me". Those were some pretty awful times trying to patch things together. We stayed together and now it is 47 years of marriage. The pain never left me, but I have come to recognize myself by watching the Jodi Arias trial. Unfortunately, now that I know who and why I am, I am now 69. As they say in Spanish, asi es la vida.

You sound like an intelligent lawyer with great insight.
Sincerely, Elizabeth Zettle, Naples, Florida March 8, 2013

Realist - March 8, 2013 8:15 AM

Premeditation will be proven beyond a reasonable doubt once all of the facts are out. Every day more lies come out about how she planned to go there and try to change his mind regarding his trip to Cancun. She had it in her mind that if he didn't agree to take her with him, whether by promising him more sex or that she was going to blackmail him, she was going to kill him. Perhaps not by the overkill that happened, but nonetheless, kill him. I am not sure that any of you supporters are watching and listening with an open mind as I have. I am not for the death penalty, but honest to God, this woman should never be allowed to walk out into society again. She is the devil in "human" form. She has no soul and demonstrates that every day that she sits in that courtroom and spews her evil words.

phoenix - March 8, 2013 8:24 AM

The prosecution isn't through yet. If Jodi's testimony is a house of cards rather than the truth, all it will take is the removal of 1 card for the whole house to fall. It's a seemingly small thing, but it appears that she lied about returning the 3rd gas can to Wal-Mart. Nothing was marked on the receipt to indicate a return, and if what Mr. Martinez alluded to about Wal-Mart not having any record of a returned can on that day is substantiated, her entire testimony becomes suspect (not that the juror questions don't indicate they think her story is a big stretch already without being caught outright in any lies). Add the fact that not a shred of porn or a single child's image was found on Travis' computer, and I can't imagine them not ultimately concluding she's a sociopathic liar guilty of premeditated 1st degree murder. The only question is whether they assign the death penalty or opt for mercy.


Susan Nunes - March 8, 2013 8:45 AM

What is truly frightening is how the media is trying to whip up a lynch mob mentality against Arias and anybody else who doesn't fit in with the predetermined narrative. The Bill of Rights and the burden of proof being on the prosecution have been thrown out the window.

BTW, phoenix, the prosecution IS done for all intents and purposes. The gas cans mean NOTHING at all. This is NOT the Dana Chandler case where gas cans were important because she didn't want to be detected. Jodi Arias left a paper trail everywhere. She needed gas cans because she didn't want to run out of gas driving on an unfamiliar road.

Martinez has NO case for premeditation. None, let alone motive.

Ameta - March 8, 2013 8:54 AM

I dont think Jodi Arias is Innocent... mainly because she admits to killing Travis Alexander.

However the media is also Guilty.

Travis lying sick friends are obviously not innocent...or religious either. One of them is wearing Travis' clothing.... almost five years after he was murdered and was ADMONISHED not to talk about the trial and to stay away from the media... but has done the exact opposite on facebook and any TV show that will give his fat ass 3 seconds of fame to show off the inscription he wears in the dead guys suits. (Stalker anyone?) That would be DAVE HALL. Do check out his FB page.

Why was the Jury not sequestered?
Judge Sherry Stephens should lose her black robe over this travesty.
Instead of Jodi getting the time she probably knows she deserves, because face it people that girl is NOT going to die so get over it already, she is probably going to get a mistrial, or even better a way reduced sentence in the appeals process due to all of the evidence of mishandling information that is out there... IRONICALLY... due to the media.
Thanks HLN LOSERS!!

This has however been historical in the grand scheme of things. Almost on the OJ and Casey Anthony Level. Only handled way worse... way way worse. No sequestered Jury, Witnesses doing whatever they want. A Prosecutor who obviously has Tourettes or some other tic inducing problem.

There is no premeditation- at all.
There is also a lack of confirmed self defense.

Watch the entire trial and get all of the facts then move on and put your rage on something that deserves it.

Mike - March 8, 2013 8:57 AM

Not so fast. Yesterday was a game changer for me, and I imagine for many people in that jury. Her game is up, and the expression on her face while Mr. Martinez questioned her spoke volumes.

We've all returned something to Walmart. And we've all stood and watched as the cashier in the customer service department circled the item on our receipt and wrote "returned" and the date it was returned. And watched as they stapled a return receipt to our original. Did you see her Walmart receipt? There were no pen marks. No staple. No holes where a staple might have been. Let's say, for a second, that Jodi didn't bother to bring her receipt in with her to make the return. We've probably all done that, too. And we've probably all been disappointed that they could only offer store credit, not cash, for the return. Ms. Arias did not return the gas can. And if she did, she did not receive cash (as she claims) and walk out with a clean receipt.

Now the Tesoro information. I'm not even sure if the convenience store part of that gas station is open at 3:57 AM. Even if it is, do you expect anyone to believe that she bought just the right amount of chips and soda to equal exactly the amount of five gallons of gas? No way. Not from a known liar (who happens to be very good and convincing at it).

The evidence might be circumstantial, but there is SO MUCH of it. That cannot be ignored. She said Napoleon barked loudly whenever someone walked into Travis's house. And we are expected to believe that he kept right on masturbating to pictures of little boys despite the presumed barking when Jodi walked back into his house? Come on.

And we are expected to believe that this girl -- who went to great lengths to fill gas cans, carry water, etc. for her long road trip -- wouldn't have pulled over to a Walmart to spend $9.98 for a generic car charger for her phone once she realized it was lost before making the long trip along the I-10 from LA to Mesa? Absurd. And she didn't bring a wall charger on her 2,000+ mile trip? Jodi, Jodi...you are much, much smarter than this.

For her story to be true to have to accept as truth a LOT of suspicious coincidences. The skaters at Starbucks. The break-in and stolen gun. The photographic memory turned to mush for several important hours on June 4, 2008.

I could accept a few. But to me, this is too much. Especially from someone with a known (and proven) history of dishonesty. Judging from their questions, I suspect the jury is on to her too. And I'd bet a lot of money that the outcome of this one is much different than what we got with Ms. Anthony.

Realist - March 8, 2013 9:14 AM

I would also like to comment about the fact that so many of you people believe in every word that comes out of her mouth. You believe that Travis said and did a lot of things that cannot be proven. Obviously, none of you have been listening to any of their mutual friends and their statements. It is very unfortunate that she can get on the stand and make up whatever suits her agenda and there is no one that can dispute the facts. However, when there are MUTUAL friends that have come forth and mentioned things that had several witnesses, they can not be admitted. She is making a mockery of the battered/sexually abused person (yes, there are men out there too), and you people are allowing it to happen.

Diane - March 8, 2013 9:42 AM

It is absolutely unfathomable that so many of you ACTUALLY believe every word that comes out of her mouth. I think there are ELEMENTS of the truth (all pathological liars include elements of truth in their lies)--but surely to goodness, NONE of you believe it is ACCEPTABLE to slaughter another human being. I don't think she will get the death penalty, but I do hope it's life w/o parole. Would you want her dating YOUR son or brother????

phoenix - March 8, 2013 9:53 AM

@Susan, Jodi's story taken as a whole is - fantastical from a self defense prospective - given the sequence of events that began with her grandparents gun coming up missing to Travis' death and beyond when she 'came to' in the desert. In light of that, and in light of her years long lengthy list of lies to overcome, it's imperative that she demonstrate absolute honesty to the jurors when answering their questions. If Mr. Martinez proves she lied to the jurors faces about returning that gas can, it's a HUGE problem for her. Of course he won't be able to do that until the rebuttal (next) phase of the trial, but his role in these proceedings is far from over.

Also, he will continue to have additional opportunities to cross examine her for as long as jurors keep submitting additional questions for her to answer.

SJ - March 8, 2013 10:14 AM

Hi Vladimir!

Great Jodi post regarding the ongoing failure of the state. I've included a few paragraphs from it in our Jodi support site, together with a link to your site and a direct link to your BTR radio program later today.

I'm sure it'll increase the numbers. Our site is current in the top 28,000 of most visited sites in the US (according to Alexa at least!)

Here's the page:
http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/jodi-arias-has-the-government-proven-murder-one-jodi-arias-is-innocent

All the best!

melred - March 8, 2013 10:22 AM

im very upset with media ..this is america innocent until proven guilty,,,Dr.Drew especially 1 sided,, i believe something happened at that very moment and she snapped,,,,if if if it was planned Jodi could have just SHOT travis while he was sleep then left the house bottom line no mess to clean up,,no one deserves to be killed and travis was a user of sex with jodi,,,BUT it is the prosecutions case to prove ,,, and if martinez proved his case then the jury would not have had sooooo many questions,,,

melissa - March 8, 2013 10:35 AM

The prosecutor you say is a shark out for blood. You think he is out to build a name for himself you don't think it has anything to do with the fact he is human. For 5 years he has gotten to know travis's closest family and friends has the crime photos burned I'm his brain and has waited for the day he could bring this woman to justice. From a legal perspective does the state have a slam dunk case. I think their are some holes which could unfortunately lead to a lesser conviction. To anyone out their who thinks this MURDER was justified because Travis " abused" her really? Even if Travis was a child molester a womanizer and abusive does that give her the right to stab slash and shoot him? I believe curtain parts of her story she really does believe but my opinion is she is straight up lying. For you who think women and men think differently you are right we are a completely different species but I will tell you from a woman's perspective we do get very jealous and obsessive. Historically women are not treated the same as men in our judicial system, they don't get charged as harshly as men for similar crimes. It takes two to tangle she knew what she was getting herself into. She did not have a commitment with this man and knowing that she chose to still have sex. She wasn't used and anyone who thinks that is about as crazy as Jodi . If her story was true why can they not find not 1 single person to come forward and corroborate her story. Let me guess what you are thinking he did it behind closed doors no one knew. This is ridiculous. I was a abused wife . You can hide his behavior only so much but this kind of behavior is so much a part of a person their is always repeat patterns somewhere. Not one single person defense or prosecution interviewed said a bad thing about this man so I guess it is her word against his right? Well we should believe what this admitted liar tells us because this is her life in the hands of the jury. But no matter how you spin it the true victim I'm this is Travis Alexander and he is not here to defend these accusations against his good name because he was brutally slain by Jodi arias.

Vladimir Gagic - March 8, 2013 10:40 AM

Thank you for all the excellent comments. A few points though:

The government's obligation is prove premeditation in their case in chief, which they could not do under any circumstances. For all those saying "wait and see" the government prove murder it, considering the fact the prosecution case in chief closed weeks ago, that is a direct admission the prosecution did not carry its burden on that point.

Second, rage and mutilation (27 cuts) are not indications of planning, cool calculation, etc... Instead, they are clear indications of a crime of passion and spontaneity, maybe depraved murder two certainly not premeditated murder one.

Third, I find it very interesting how many tweets I have seen from people who "know" for a fact that Jodi Arias lied about shooting Mr. Alexander first because it directly contradicts the punitively "scientific" medical examiner testimony. How many of those same people know that is exactly what Det. Flores said first, Mr. Alexander was shot before being stabbed.

And how many of those same people who fully support the idea scientific evidence is sufficient to condemn Ms. Arias to death, but at the same time, think evolution is a hoax and God created man in 7 days?

melred - March 8, 2013 10:45 AM

i agree jurors should have been sequestered,,,i was on jury duty for 4 months and i followed the judges rules ,,,but after the verdict i realized some other jurors DID NOT FOLLOW rules,,,

melred - March 8, 2013 10:59 AM

It only takes 1 person on that jury to question premeditation,,I HOPE That 1 person stays strong in what they believe

melissa - March 8, 2013 11:13 AM

The prosecutor you say is a shark out for blood. You think he is out to build a name for himself you don't think it has anything to do with the fact he is human. For 5 years he has gotten to know travis's closest family and friends has the crime photos burned I'm his brain and has waited for the day he could bring this woman to justice. From a legal perspective does the state have a slam dunk case. I think their are some holes which could unfortunately lead to a lesser conviction. To anyone out their who thinks this MURDER was justified because Travis " abused" her really? Even if Travis was a child molester a womanizer and abusive does that give her the right to stab slash and shoot him? I believe curtain parts of her story she really does believe but my opinion is she is straight up lying. For you who think women and men think differently you are right we are a completely different species but I will tell you from a woman's perspective we do get very jealous and obsessive. Historically women are not treated the same as men in our judicial system, they don't get charged as harshly as men for similar crimes. It takes two to tangle she knew what she was getting herself into. She did not have a commitment with this man and knowing that she chose to still have sex. She wasn't used and anyone who thinks that is about as crazy as Jodi . If her story was true why can they not find not 1 single person to come forward and corroborate her story. Let me guess what you are thinking he did it behind closed doors no one knew. This is ridiculous. I was a abused wife . You can hide his behavior only so much but this kind of behavior is so much a part of a person their is always repeat patterns somewhere. Not one single person defense or prosecution interviewed said a bad thing about this man so I guess it is her word against his right? Well we should believe what this admitted liar tells us because this is her life in the hands of the jury. But no matter how you spin it the true victim I'm this is Travis Alexander and he is not here to defend these accusations against his good name because he was brutally slain by Jodi arias.

phoenix - March 8, 2013 11:14 AM

Mr. Gagic, Jodi's grandparents .25 caliber gun was 'stolen' shortly before Jodi's trip, Jodi rents the car for that trip far from her home, she meticulously plans that trip resulting in no Arizona paper or surveillance trail, she claims Travis brutally attacked her for dropping a camera when he didn't even get angry after she ruined his BMW, claims she blanked out for the duration of her savage attack on him and while tampering with the crime scene, then disposed of evidence and drove directly to a new love interest's house and acted in a sexually provocative manner (which of course should not be construed as attempting to create an alternate location alibi).

I disagree about rage not indicating planning. A jilted lover murdering in a jealous rage takes planning precisely because she's now an ex-girlfriend who needed to drive a long distance to reach him.

re: Did she shoot him first or not.. She's a PROVEN pathological liar and the coroner a trained, experienced professional. That speaks for itself.

Mike - March 8, 2013 11:17 AM

Vladimir,
You are the attorney and are probably correct from a technical standpoint. But it will be 12 non-attorneys that decide this woman's fate. I have followed this trial closely from the start. I am not suggesting that the 27 stab wounds proves premeditation. And I'm not saying with any certainty that because the bullet casing was laying in blood means that she couldn't have shot him first. But if you start to look at this case as a whole made up of a bunch of smaller parts (many of these "suspicious coincidences" as I mentioned earlier), you start to see that it doesn't add up. So for me, if I'm sitting on the jury, I don't believe this girl. That's not to say that everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie, because I know that's not the case. But I don't know what to believe, and that presents a real problem for her. Because I know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she has lied on the stand. So the next question is why? And the only logical conclusion is that she's hiding something. And if Ms. Arias was really attacked for dropping the camera, she should have nothing to hide. No jury would convict a 110 pound girl for killing a 200 pound man who was attacking her. Juan Martinez knows this. He's already made a name for himself; I don't see how it serves his best interest to go after someone's life if he has a weak case he doesn't truly believe in. It is a fascinating case if nothing else.

Jeannie Thorn - March 8, 2013 11:18 AM

Pre-medtation has not been proven. If I was on the jury I would aquit. I would want to suggest some serious counseling for Jodi so she could learn to never get in such an abusive situation again.

phoenix - March 8, 2013 11:36 AM

@Mike, re: the bullet casing.. Just wanted to add that Jodi claims she shot Travis in the bedroom, and yet that casing was found in the bathroom, on top of already congealed blood.

pj Jackson - March 8, 2013 11:45 AM

Pre-meditation can be formed in an instant. When she pulled his back and sliced his throat from ear to ear thats enough for any jury comprised of human beings.

melred - March 8, 2013 11:47 AM

Mike, as per your quote"But i dont know what to believe,"THAT IS CALLED DOUBT and if you are on that jury feeling DOUBT,,YOU MUST VOTE NOT GUILTY.....prosecution has NOT made you believe 100% of her guilt....

phoenix - March 8, 2013 11:57 AM

Excuse me... I just re-read testimony and may be wrong about Jodi saying she shot him in the bedroom, sorry.

But the casing was found ON TOP of congealed blood, indicating that the shooting occurred after Travis was bleeding which could only have been caused by the knife.

daniel - March 8, 2013 12:20 PM

As an attorney, you of all people should know that she was not over charged, the prosecuter has made his case so far, and as for withholding evidence, Jodies lawyers are guilty of the same tactic, so to try and say it's cowardly, I guess you are calling both sides cowards, I too was convicted with murder, I served 4 years for selfdefence here in canada, so with all your rambling what do you suggest they do for this girl who will most likely get the death penalty, she has told so many lies that were proven to be lies in court, that I can't see her getting anything less then that, death would be better for her, to much for tax payers to be paying for her room and board if she gets life.

Brenda S - March 8, 2013 12:24 PM

Finally a diplimatic diolog : First i would just like to comment on Flores' investigating report. It seems as tho the room mates inconsistencys to what they said,about one doing laundry,the fact that one said they didn't really hang-out,know eachother.The shoe print,when Jodi had socks on.And how could anybody take pictures and commit such a thing.Did the camera take pics by its self?Drag a dead weight body(excuse the expression),and take pics at the same time. It seems to me that Jodi is answerering these questions from memories after the incident,from what she's seen and been told. I do believe that TA's guilt and the need for her compliance to his seuaxl needs took over him like a raging demon.And if she wouldn't have killed him,then he probably would have (defused),or could have raped her violently in that bathroom.Thats what i believe would have happened if she wouldn't have done what she did.But still confused about all the evidence.

Roak - March 8, 2013 12:53 PM

Only a few 100 miles to the east of Arizona is the state of New Mexico. That state has abolished the DP. Only a few 100 miles away JA might have a chance to live instead of potentially being murdered by the state of Arizona. I think the prosecution made an immoral call to put the DP on the table. She is a young and attractive woman and she fits the perfect profile of a sacrif that may grant him some future votes.
He does not care about justice, he is a shark hungry for blood.
Let us be real, even if she receives the DP she will most likely spend 30 years on DR before she gets her sentece commuted. Why the drama then?
And if you think that the DP will not be abolished in the US in the comming decade due to rising costs of executing someone, then you must be unaware of what passed a couple of days ago in the state of Maryland.

She is not innocent but she should not be murdered in the name of justice

Rick - March 8, 2013 12:57 PM

I'm a bit surprised there is such a negative view of Jodi in the press. She is, even by her own admission, guilty of killing Travis Alexander. But the simple definitions often cited in which killing another person could be understandable do not work to understand what happened here. Jodi loved that guy very much, but he took advantage of it, involving her in a very passionate relationship which would suggest very deep trust between the two of them. But then Travis dumped her, which was a tremendous betrayal of that trust which Jodi came to feel existed between them. The jury is looking only for evidence of 'temporary insanity' during the time the actual assault took place, but I suggest that she was not in a healthy state of mind for a period a lot longer than that-for months leading up to the day of his death, and probably, even now as she is on trial. Will the jury eventually understand this? I hope so...That woman does not belong in jail.

dcsmyth1 - March 8, 2013 1:00 PM

Re: Vladimer's comment of the time of the shooting: He seems to be critcizing the medical examiner. Who cares if he may have gave some early tentative opinion to Flores? After getting all of the evidence, he testified under oath about the sequence of events. If Vladimer, or the defense, can refute the medical examiner's opinion that the shot would have incapacitated TA is a couple seconds, then I would be very interested. I doubt that will happen though.

grainofsalt - March 8, 2013 1:42 PM

I would be inclined to agree that the state has not proven premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt.

However, what she did was not done in self-defense nor is it the result of "battered woman syndrome". I believe she went to AZ with the intent of trying to win back Travis Alexander with the one thing she had in her arsenal - her body and her willingness to indulge his sexual fantasies.

It is not for the jury to judge Travis Alexander. He can't speak for himself. The person speaking for him is on trial for his murder and it's clear that much of what she has shared about the man she knew was intended to paint him in a negative light. As if sharing sexual fantasies with a willing partner is some form of "perversion". Men and women have sexual fantasies and there are reasons why they aren't shared with the world at large - they're private. In a relationship of mutual trust he should have felt free to share his sexual thoughts with her and based on the evidence presented, there was no indication that she didn't enjoy them as much as he did.

Did she go along with them out of fear that he would harm her? No. She went along with them because either she enjoyed them or she would've accepted anything to keep her relationship with him. I believe she was telling the truth when she said she was in love with him. Unfortunately, like a lot of young women, she thought indulging his sexual appetites would be the key to keeping him. Obviously, it wasn't enough, and I think on some level she was angry and frustrated about that.

The big question is did she intend to kill him before she left California? I've seen and heard nothing that really answers that question without a reasonable doubt. Even if she staged the robbery at her grandparents' home to take possession of a handgun, what did she intend to do with it? It could be reasonably argued that she wanted it for protection on her long solo drive to see Travis. Likewise with the gas cans. There are long stretches of nothing in that part of the country, so a young woman driving alone being prepared for the possibility of running out of gas in the middle of nowhere is credible, even if it isn't the truth. As long as there is another plausible explanation, there is reasonable doubt.

However, there is NO doubt that she killed Travis Alexander. She admitted it. The physical evidence also removes any reasonable doubt that her actions were fueled by rage, not fear. The number and the location of stab wounds, defensive woulds and the throat slitting make it impossible to see it as anything other than unbridled rage.

Her convenient memory lapses about the subsequent stabbing (despite having a nearly photographic memory of everything else) are a pretty clear indication that recounting the stabbing would do nothing to support her "self-defense" claim so she says she "doesn't remember" it. Remembering it would mean she'd have to explain it, and for a woman with all the answers, she can't come up with one that supports the image of herself she has created: the victim.

Something happened that day. Travis either said or did something that made her violently angry. I also think that there was a conversation going on during that photo session in the shower. The closeup of Alexander's face conveys a look of fear or confusion. Was she talking to him while snapping the photos? Was she holding the gun? What was being said as those photos were taken? Did it start out as a "game" then turned deadly? There are many more questions than answers concerning Travis Alexander's final moments. The woman with so much to say about everything up to that point is curiously silent about them.

Arias will be found guilty. She will not be acquitted, there's too much physical evidence and her own confession to the killing. (Casey Anthony never admitted to anything and there was no definitive cause of death for little Caylee, big difference.) If there is justice, Ms. Arias will spend the rest of her natural life behind bars, and relegated to obscurity.

It saddens me that there are people who believe every word she has said simply because she's physically attractive. Monsters don't always look like monsters.

Mintz - March 8, 2013 1:45 PM

What are the elements of First Degree Murder in Arizona?

How does the statute read and how has it been applied in the past?

Only by exmaining the answers to these questions will one be able to proclaim that the state has not met its burden of proof.

Sargasso Sea - March 8, 2013 1:46 PM

"But the main reason, I suspect, is feminism's misguided campaign to biologically and psychologically equate men and women. In other words, despite all the evidence to the contrary, radical feminist want us to believe that men and women have the exact same motivation to murder."

I'd like to point out that radical feminists absolutely DO NOT believe that men and women are equal in anything except for being members of the human race. It is Liberal Feminists who promote equality rhetoric and yet most of even those in that camp would not claim that a woman would murder a man because of "sexual jealousy".

Yep, blame feminists for misogyny. Nothing new there, Mr. Gagic.

phoenix - March 8, 2013 2:00 PM

@Roak, I don't believe in the death penalty either. In order for the jury to believe Jodi, they have to believe that a liar and murderer is suddenly telling the truth years after the fact, a truth which conveniently condemns Travis while providing her with an excuse, and allows for a gaping memory gap that further excuses her from having to explain the overkill, tampering with a crime scene, and disposal of evidence. That's not going to happen, and if death is what Jodi receives, I think it will be because the jury is angry at her for attempting to kill Travis a second time via character assassination indicating a complete lack of true remorse. I hope they decide against taking her life, but believe the vicious pathology which lies at her core deserves nothing less than life without the possibility of parole.

melred - March 8, 2013 2:19 PM

i have a question,,,,,,IF jodi does NOT get the dp,,,,,,who decides on life in prison or 10-20yrs.???

Mike - March 8, 2013 2:35 PM

@melred - when I said "I don't know what to believe" I wasn't referring to whether or not she premeditated this. I should have been more clear. "I do not know which words to believe out of Jodi's mouth." She is asking us to believe things that the majority of evidence would suggest are not true (the 3rd gas can, that Travis had a gun, that he was sexually attracted to little boys, and on and on). Those things add up. If I can't believe these things, based on strong evidence, then I have no reason to (and do not) believe that she killed him in self defense. Her story is far fetched and untrue. Has the prosecution eliminated ALL doubt in this case? No. But REASONABLE doubt? Absolutely.

John - March 8, 2013 2:36 PM

As the old adage goes, "if it walks like a duck......."

I cannot believe, running across this website, that there are people believing Arias is innocent. You have given her a pass over her lack of credibility, arguing, "As far as whether her testimony is believable, she was not untruthful in the sense she was deliberately testifying falsely."

What kind of gobbledegook is that? What, she thought that she was never in Arizona at the time of the killing so that means she was being truthful. So then she thought two ninja warriors had killed Alexander so in her own mind that was truthful? Confronted with all the forensic evidence she now claims she shot Alexander in self-defense and then entered the Twilight Zone that she didn't come out of until mid-kiss in Utah? She was not in the process of "testifying falsely" or does truth only count when a person is under oath and sitting on a witness stand.

Premediation is determined by the facts at trial. Why did she need to rent a car, buy extra gas cans so she would not have to stop for fuel in Arizona, shut off her cellphone pinging cellphone before going into Arizona, and not turn it on again until out of Arizona? What is the probability of shooting a person with a 25 caliber gun and coincidentally your Grandpa's is burglarized of one while you are living there? Why did she not let family and friends know she was heading to Arizona to visit nor tell family and friends that she had been there?

On leaving the Twilight Zone, you know you shot someone you claimed you love unconditionally, are covered in blood and don't call 911 or him to check on his condition?

Jodi not only walks like a "duck", she is a lying self-serving murderous duck.

Paul - March 8, 2013 2:53 PM

You can be found guilty due to a PREPONDERANCE OF CIRCUMSTANCIAL EVIDENCE. That's likely to occur with this trial's verdict.
JA sunk her own battleship by not keeping her mouth shut for years prior to the trial. Putting her on the stand was the final mistake, and the icing on her first degree murder cake, imo.
I read that list of juror's questions and find some to be MOCKING HER, others to be TAUNTING HER. I learn from this that at least a percentage of the juror's have had it with "The Jodi Show". I'm sure they are sick and tired of the prosecutor having to ask her three to five questions to finally get ONE proper answer out of her.
Good luck, JA...you are going to need it in spades.

BBH - March 8, 2013 3:58 PM

Dude, learn how to edit your blogs. It is like reading one long sentence.

Beck - March 8, 2013 4:18 PM

I don't believe her claim that she shot him first. I believe the M.E who has done 6,000 autopsies. Even if she did... he was down. The "I can't remember" defense for the entire incident is suspect. Her testimony is not consistent. Her actions are not consistent. Her refusal to accept responsibility after 4 years is not acceptable. As a juror, I would convict on first degree not solely on the gas can theory, but between weapon changing and the wounds inflicted. She knew the throat wound would be fatal whenever she did it.

Heather - March 8, 2013 4:52 PM

A great post as usual, SJ!

You know, they actually haven't even proved she killed him. Jodi accidentally shot him once, but that didn't kill him, and I don't believe she slashed his throat, stabbed him? She might have had to, but slashing his throat, no. However, Jodi is taking the blame; I wonder how many times she has taken the blame for things she didn't do?
Jodi can't remember as it was so traumatic, as it would be for anyone, and as for moving his body into that tiny shower space, no. She would have been in total shock and most likely her legs would have gone to jelly; I just can't see she did this at all--pre-meditated murder, yes, but not what happened, it must have been absolutely terrifying.
All some people see is the way she is now; she isn't the same person as she was then; she was only 28 and sees things differently now; as Jodi said, she's grown a backbone.

I didn't see the video, but heard that TA's room-mate changed his story 3 times for June 4th.. something not quite right about that, also there were 5 days before TA was officially found; who knows what happened during that time?

Jodi is saying she killed him because she thinks she must have done and is ashamed that he had those dreadful wounds, but, did she really? Or was she set up? TA's friends didn't like her, they had a motive.. TA's friends and possibly room-mate were Mormon.. what if they knew about his paedophilia ?

And lastly, Jodi may be shielding someone, someone may have threatened her family, who knows, for I honestly don't believe that someone as emotional as Jodi could slash someone's throat. I really don't.

Heather - March 8, 2013 5:09 PM

Just to be clear, I didn't meant it to sound like it was pre-meditated--like it Could read, to some..

It was 10000 % Self defense and I want her to walk free. Then, and Only then, will Justice be done.

To me the court in AZ seems like a Kangaroo court. Shocking to want her to die on what is only circumstantial evidence and I pray for her; the AZ Government are like a pack of hungry wolves, its totally Barbaric, something out of the Middle Ages.
Some of the comments from these 'Things' (because they don't resemble human beings who care a hang about humanity), make me feel sick. They are actually enjoying it.

To say I'm shocked to the bone, is an understatement.

MSA - March 8, 2013 5:15 PM

I've watched the entire trial and she's lucky I'm not on the jury. Premeditated jealous rage. She did every sex act known to man and it did not sway Travis from his plans to take another woman to Cancun. That's my opinion. I actually had a completely open mind when the trial began but the more she has talked the more she convinced me of her guilt and that self defense was not a factor whatsoever.

melred - March 8, 2013 5:25 PM

hi heather, i was thinking similar ,,travis was in good shape and even if he were dead can she physically drag him into shower all around that room and still have plenty time to clean up the mess and put camera and sheets into wash & run the dishwasher,,,knowing at any moment his roomates could come home,,i've asked that question soooo many time ,,where were the roomates and sometimes 5roomates lived with travis at a time,,yes jelly legs and SHOCK must have set in during this time,,,maybe a 2nd person helped,,,sometimes when people lie they have some true to their story,,jodi talked about 2 people came into the home (a lie) but maybe there were 2 people (her and some one else)who killed him,,,,,was jodi & travis the only ones in that HugE house??

Anonymous - March 8, 2013 5:52 PM

District Attorney Juan Martinez had an easy case that he turned into a DOG & PONY Show, why because he sucks. Unprepared all over the place you hear silly people state he has a Good reputation. He was handed that Death Penalty case the woman who killed her Husband in a wheel chair my 2 year old could have won that case. Nurmi has NADA to work with and he is doing great. Martinez has THEE whole Media on his side a bunch of Loony Tune MOONIES I am sorry I mean (can't tell the difference) Mormons appearing Nightly on various shows trashing Jodi Arias. To me they all are a CULT sorry that is my opinion. Their blank stare speaks volumes about their Religion. The ones appearing nightly on Dr.Drew ,Nancy Disgrace and That Jane lady are just the FREAKIEST, Perhaps this Cult has something to do with this tragedy. But The media is so Bias it will backfire. No evidence to support DP. That is a fact. Loved stupid Martinez Walmart BLUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous - March 8, 2013 5:59 PM

District Attorney Juan Martinez had an easy case that he turned into a DOG & PONY Show, why because he sucks. Unprepared all over the place you hear silly people state he has a Good reputation. He was handed that Death Penalty case the woman who killed her Husband in a wheel chair my 2 year old could have won that case. Nurmi has NADA to work with and he is doing great. Martinez has THEE whole Media on his side a bunch of Loony Tune MOONIES I am sorry I mean (can't tell the difference) Mormons appearing Nightly on various shows trashing Jodi Arias. To me they all are a CULT sorry that is my opinion. Their blank stare speaks volumes about their Religion. The ones appearing nightly on Dr.Drew ,Nancy Disgrace and That Jane lady are just the FREAKIEST, Perhaps this Cult has something to do with this tragedy. But The media is so Bias it will backfire. No evidence to support DP. That is a fact. Loved stupid Martinez Walmart BLUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

melred - March 8, 2013 6:15 PM

OMG! anonymous you are so on point ,,have you seen the mormon couples ,,two different couples on HLN shows the way the mormon wives are holding their husbands hands ,,talk about take control,,,if travis kept this SEX secret ,imagine the others in the mormon religion

phoenix - March 8, 2013 6:37 PM

@MSA, yeah.. the more she talks, the more she loses me with her 'have an answer for everything' defense. No one has an answer for everything. She's clever by half - I'll give her that. If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bull chit.

I kept an open mind UNTIL she dragged pedophilia into this and then the forensic examination of Travis's computer found zero in the way of inappropriate material. She's a despicable excuse for a human being.

Mari - March 8, 2013 6:51 PM

I don't get how this trial keeps on an on with evidence being so clear. Of course Jodi is going to lie. She is trying to save her life. For her is better to lie and see what she can get away with it than say the truth and get the DP. Duh! I see the pictures, a man in the shower then 2 minutes later the man is dead in the shower with 27 stabs wounds, slit throat and shot in the head. The killer admitted she did it. No more questions to the witness. Case closed. Life in prison will be enough for her. DP is optional.

Lisa - March 8, 2013 7:12 PM

I found your article thought provoking ... but it became of little value when I read to this point:

"Now it seems many liberals and feminists have turned their ire against Ms. Arias to promote their political, and completely unscientific, agenda of proving men and women are exactly the same in all respects"

Interestingly, this progressive/liberal feminist and *gasp* psychologist has not abandoned her personal beliefs just because she thinks JA is guilty. I don't believe in the DP (except for those who purposefully kill children). Too many citizens have been falsely convicted; innocent citizens have been executed. These facts require that Americans reexamine the death penalty. In addition, the cost to taxpayers to imprison a felon sentenced to death is absurd and is significantly higher than housing a felon for life. IMO, a life sentence is a harsher sentence; death can be a release. Finally, there are too many unknowns regarding the type of death experienced by lethal injection.

But really, how can any progressive/liberal feminist (female or male) give your thoughts any significance when your biases show you to be just as vulnerable to illogical assumptions as those that you criticize?

Just as I know that there are conservatives who are anti-DP, there are liberals who are pro-DP.

Your blatant stereotypes cloud what could be a powerful message.

Finally, an impression that stimulated a question. Have you ever defended a client against Juan Martinez aka Mr. Prosecutor? Your commentary is certainly quite bitter towards him.

P.S. I encourage you to read more about current feminism, specifically third and fourth wave feminism. Gloria Steinem is no longer the poster woman for the feminist movement. The stay-at-home mother is now one of many poster women for feminist philosophy ... there's no longer a "movement".

Cher2013 - March 8, 2013 7:45 PM

@MSA: Totally agree with you!! We would have her verdict in less than an hour.

It is my belief that Jodi's premeditation and blatant lying started that weekend in Sept 2006 when she met Travis. She decided then she was going to have Travis by any means necessary (sex). She returned home to her live-in boyfriend, told him "no sex because she was saving herself for marriage" YET 5 or 6 days later she was engaging in sexual activity with Travis. She did everything willfully and necessary, sexually, and she still could not hold on to Travis. June 4, 2008 was the result of her definite confirmation and sad realization that ALL her efforts had failed. If she couldn't have him, he surely wasn't going to Cancun with anyone else, he surely wasn't worthy of living.

Jodi's statement: "if I killed Travis, I would beg for the death penalty". She has confessed to the murder....but she surely has not been begging...still hoping to hear the truth and nothing but the truth.

Steve57 - March 8, 2013 7:48 PM

Simpson slaughtered two people and the prosecute didn't even charge him with the death penalty.
The death charge is ridiculous in this case

Kris - March 8, 2013 9:12 PM

I think you are as looney as she is. For one, she didn't try to plead 2nd degree, she asked for Manslaughter and 15 years. That's ludicrist! And she is a pathological, compulsive proven (over and over) liar and butcher! So you and your bleeding heart liberals who don't think a murderer should die for his or HER heinous crimes may, I hope, rest easy and pray she doesn't move in next door to you if she's released, or date your son, grandson, nephew, father...

Also, not everybody agrees with bleeding heart liberals or even science for that matter. Here's praying there are none like you on the jury.

Toosay - March 8, 2013 9:22 PM

I hope she gets the needle and burns in Hell. She is a lying Harpy. She is filth. Hope the jury does the right thing and helps her end the lies by ending her oxygen habit.

Anyone who supports her is a moron...

Disbeliever - March 8, 2013 10:22 PM

At the onset of this trial, if she had just said "yes I killed him. Yes it was in a jealous rage. No it was not premeditated. I was covering my tracks so it didn't seem I was ever in AZ, but not so I could kill someone, so my new boyfriend couldn't snoop and see I was still booty calling my ex. It just so happened that at Travis' house I went into a rage over his new girlfriend and I thought ' I'll show him and noone will ever know I was here'". But she didn't say that, and she'll get the death penalty; not because of any staggering evidence (although there is plenty) but because she spent two weeks filling the jury's ears with nonsense and the last few days she's proven you can't believe any of it. And I don't care how you look at it this trial it boils down to do you believe the defense's account of events or the prosecution's ? And she made damn sure the defense was laughable! She should have states the hell off the stand like Ms Anthony.

Pachoo - March 8, 2013 10:24 PM

Jodi is guilty as sin and I think even the people on this site who profess to believe her know this. I have never seen anyone that is more of a pathological liar than she is.

It is sickening that she not only murdered Travis in such a heinous, malicious and premeditated way, but is now defaming Travis' in a disgusting attempt to save her own ass. Really, accusing him of pedophilia? That is frigging GROSS, especially as she tries to tell everyone that she is trying to protect Travis' image at all cost. How evil can this woman be?

Anyone who is on her side should be ashamed of themselves. Think of poor Travis and his family. This evil woman butchered him because her narcissitic ego couldn't handle his rejection of her. She deserves to burn in hell.

unimpressed - March 8, 2013 10:54 PM

you can babble on and on about reasonable doubt. common sense will give her the needle. no big words needed.

ROAK - March 8, 2013 11:42 PM

Vladimir, please monitor the comments and try to filter the hate comments. They smelled blood and they are gathering like sharks. Please don't turn this thread into another facebook

Lilybeth - March 9, 2013 12:56 AM

I am praying for you Ryan. May God give you acceptance of the truth. May the peace that God offers set you free. Blessings to you.

observer - March 9, 2013 1:06 AM

I got the distinct impression early on that Jodi went there to threaten Travis and if he did not comply then she planned to take him out. This was verified by a woman that worked with Jodi.

On HLN, Jane Valez-Mitchell interviewed a woman who worked with Jodi right before she murdered Travis. She stated that Jodi would call Travis incessantly ...constantly tracking him and stalking him. She told Jodi that if she kept that up she would never end up with him. She also said that Jodi many times (after calling and tracking him) would leave at 11pm after she got off work and drive over 5 hours to AZ to check up on him. She also stated that Jodi was livid that he was not taking her to Cancun and that she went there to threaten him and when he refused to take her she thinks Jodi flew into a jealous rage and killed him. She also stated that Jodi has what she calls "flat affect"...she does not display emotion like normal people do.

I believe Jodi planned on killing him when he took a shower but it took all day for him to get in the shower and then only at her bidding "so she could take pictures of his improved physique". Then he would be vulnerable and she stabbed him in the chest first when she had him sitting down. THAT is premeditation. He could still get up and try to get away, thus the defensive wounds and him making it over to the sink and down the hall trying to get away. Lastly she slit his throat and shot him in the face to make doubly sure he couldn't get away.

She is claiming self defense and I believe the state has proven that based on Med. Examiners testimony that she was the only attacker. She was not defending herself from Travis. The physical evidence proves that without a shadow of doubt.

Does she really believe that someone would want to kill her because she dropped their camera? She could have made up a better story than that. She is stupid and a sociopath and needs to be put away for ever or put to death as she says is her choice, according to her own words to the police.

alfonse - March 9, 2013 6:26 AM

Jodi's orgasm on the phone sex tape---was it real or did she fake it to keep Travis turned on and interested in her? Any opinions?

Lisa Akerblom - March 9, 2013 6:55 AM

I believe Ms Arias will get the DP and I believe that because not only did she slaughter him she further tried to destroy him by accusing him of being a pedophile . She has absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim which pales in comparison on what the state can and has substantiated. Jurors are not lawyers their interest is not in legal finesse. She killed him she admitted it & in combination all the other evidence as a whole leaves no doubt from a common sense perspective it was premeditated. She will die of old age or simply be put to sleep either way its a much more peaceful end than she allowed Travis.

Chris - March 9, 2013 7:51 AM

It's hard to believe that an intelligent person could believe JA stories. I wonder what motivates the people who chose to overlook all of the evidence. Regarding the comment about smelling blood, I don't think that cry's for justice mean people are out for blood! Do these people think we should just let murders go unpunished?

Kwalitykontrol - March 9, 2013 8:13 AM

I don't agree with this at all. I don't think they should ever seek the death penalty because a jury feels more nervous about sending a person to death than sending them to jail for life. They don't want to make a mistake, so they go with a lesser charge. She said she'd rather get the death penalty than life, and in my opinion she should not get what she wants.

Pre-meditation is shown by the fact that Travis didn't own a gun. She claims he did, but says it wasn't ever loaded. Why would he keep it on a high shelf if it's not loaded? Wouldn't the police have found his ammunition in the house if he owned a gun? Wouldn't they have some evidence of him purchasing a gun? Evidence of him telling his friends he bought a gun. Evidence of him going to a firing range to use his gun. People don't buy guns and no ammunition, then keep the unloaded gun in a safe place up high. There's no children in the house, so why keep it on a high shelf? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lived alone so why put the gun there? If it's for his own self defense purposes he would keep it somewhere within reach. If he didn't live alone, the other person would be aware if this gun existed or not.

The fact that the gun missing from her grandparents place is the same type of gun as used in the crime is too much of a coincidence. It was also not missing a year or month before the crime, it was within days was it not? She took it to commit the murder.

If she knew his gun was always unloaded, why would she think he would stop chasing her if he also knew it wasn't loaded? What they should do is have her go back to the house and reenact what happened. See how fast she can do what she said she did. They should also show what happens when someone is shot like that. What would the shooter see? Would you notice whether you hit them or not? Would blood come spraying out of their head? She claims she didn't see whether she shot him or not. I think her having the gas cans doesn't prove premeditation. She told a believable story that she didn't want to get stranded in the desert with no gas; however, the gun outweighs that, plus the fact that everything else she said was a lie. Only an idiot would think you need to cover up a murder in self defense. She is no idiot.

He didn't call her while she was driving and say come over. That would show she had no intention of going to his house originally. She called him and told him she was coming over. She planned to go there all along.

Judy - March 9, 2013 8:51 AM

You are a idiot!!!!😱😱and anyone that supports this evil person is also an idiot. I pray none of you people live near me

mel - March 9, 2013 9:07 AM

for those who still believe Travis s friends on how they "knew" him, are you aware of his ARREST record ? probably not, because you all knew him so well right? you knew him well enough, yet you didn't know about his sexual deviant behavior either.
so sick of the mindless drival coming from his Mormon buddies...this case is about premeditation, thats IT!! juan Martinez has not proven crap except he's no Perry Mason, so give it up!

phoenix - March 9, 2013 9:44 AM

@Chris, my take:

Evil that succeeds in it's designs often does so by disguising itself as an angel of light. Psychopaths wear the mask of sanity; they don't look like sociopaths or act like deranged killers. Jodi is duping some people via her personal attractiveness, verbal intelligence, and acting ability.

Another thought: As many as 5 percent of people display psychopathic or sociopathic personality disorders, but not all morph into criminals. I think it's possible a number instinctively perceive something of themselves in Jodi and thus feel an affinity for her.

Kat - March 9, 2013 1:03 PM

@Daniel: I find it very odd that you yourself have served 4 years for murder when you acted in self-defense, yet you feel that Jodi Arias should get the death penalty. Your sentence was unfair enough if you acted in self-defense; what if you had been eligible for the death penalty on top of that? You don't know for sure if Jodi premeditated this murder, and I would think that someone who's been a defendant in a murder case would not want her given the maximum sentence, full stop.

Also, I don't know if you're familiar with U.S. law, but taxpayers will still be paying room and board for Jodi for years even if she does get death. Our death row prisoners sit for 20 years sometimes as their appeals are heard.

AC - March 9, 2013 1:32 PM

Im gonna go somewhere in the middle here. I think those that are taking her apparent lies at face value are delusional at best. I also think those to the other extreme are forgetting the unknown variables in human behavior and ,dare I say, physics.

There are two people that know exactly what happened on June 4th, 2008. One will be taking the truth to her grave and the other already has. That being said, there are some theories that can easily be arrived at here. But theories are just that, theories. They do not remove doubt, reasonable or otherwise.

It is hard to fathom anyone mutilating another human being, the way TA was, out of fear. In most circumstances and for most rational humans, you would do what it takes to stop your attacker and then run like hell. A bullet to the face would normally accomplish that initial stop. But again, this is a theory with no definitive proof. The ME can theorize based on experience that this in fact was the case, but no one can be certain. There have been many cases in the past where an initial injury should have incapacitated a person but did not. His fight or flight instinct could have kicked in at that point. However, even taking that 'doubt' into mind, I again come back to finding it unbelievable that 27 stab wounds and a near decapitation were necessary to or even fueled by her fear instinct. Common sense leads to the motivation being rage, and it is very difficult to prove otherwise.

Then there is her memory of events, or lack thereof. I was attacked by about 5 other individuals in my teens. I can tell you, it was traumatic and I literally, even an hour later, remembered very little of the event even though I was never knocked unconscious and in fact did escape relatively unscathed. It was, as Jodi puts it, a fog. From experience, I believe you can be "blinded by fear" but I also believe you can go into a blind rage. Can we say definitively that this is what happened to Ms. Arias? No, but it is a possibility. Nor can we say which end of that blind spectrum she was in if she was in it at all. She could also be conveniently "forgetting" events that do not meld with her self-defense story.

That same experience also tells me that, if motivated by fear, escape is the ultimate goal. But I cannot make the mistake most of us make in assigning my values, experiences or motives to another person. We cannot know or prove her mind. The evidence suggests that escape was very possible, yet not really attempted by Ms. Arias. Instead she remained in the situation to "finish the job" the bullet to the face did not. Even if the bullet did not stop TA, at least a couple of the stab wounds would have. Of that I have no doubt. Hence, once again we are led to the conclusion that this was an act of rage and not fear.

But what about the shell casing that was found laying on top of the blood? Doesn't that prove he was already bleeding before he was shot? No one can say with 100% certainty how the casing arrived where it lay. In what was almost certainly a chaotic event, it could have been kicked there... who knows. It falls under the unknowns of physics.

My point here is that without a full blown admission by JA, there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what happened. Although we do not know the jurors' minds, we have to believe that there are doubts per se. So it is purely going to come down to which doubts, those of JA or those of the evidence, weigh stronger on their minds.

Some have said that the 100 questions provided by the jury, prove they are not buying her story in the least. I think its quite the contrary. If they weren't buying it, or at least entertaining the notion of its validity, why even ask for the clarifications they have asked for.

In the end, yes, there is the rule of law. Yes, there is the admonition given to the jury. There is the fact, that there must be a preponderance of evidence and lack of reasonable doubt. But in the end these jurors are human and with that comes the fallibility of the human mind. Ultimately they will assign their beliefs and/or values to the case and the circumstances surrounding it. So who has had a bigger impact on those intangibles? Mr. Martinez or Mr. Nurmi. Only time will tell. In a few weeks we will find out if the jury thinks she is guilty of pre-meditated murder, but may never undeniably know whether or not she was.

observer - March 9, 2013 2:20 PM

Question: Isn't it pedophilia if you perpetrate a sexual crime on a 12 year old GIRL?

If Jodi was really concerned about Travis being a pedophile, why would she act that out continually? Would that be "helping" a true pedophile? Besides the only physical evidence of pedophilia that I have seen presented in this case is where SHE enticed him in a text message to treat her like a 12 year old girl in a sexual way. I believe that the date on that text was BEFORE the recorded phone conversation where Travis makes reference to her sounding like a 12 year old girl, while she is in her baby talk mode. Not only was it Jodi's idea to play a 12 year old girl but she also wanted to be "spanked" like a child.

Not one person during the trial or on HLN coverage has brought out this glaring principle. Pedophilia is perpetrated on GIRLS and boys.

Also if her tag was upside down the whole time she was in AZ why did the police not catch it when she went through the road block at the border of Utah? I'm sure that road block scared her s===less and she then turned her tag upside down and took her front tag off so she could not be identified or what ever reasoning one can come up with why anyone would do that....the girl is not the brightest bulb. Obviously if she had a brain she would have taken the sim card from the camera with her and used the gasoline to burn it beyond recognition.

Heather - March 9, 2013 2:33 PM

It is great to hear someone getting to the legal nexus of this case. So much media speculation is based on pseudo scientific guesswork -- on the defendant's body language, how it shows she is lying, or the significance of voice pattern changes, etc. To me, it is natural for someone to be more confident and poised if questioned by their own lawyer than when under hostile interrogation by the prosecutor. An honest viewer may simply see in this how a human being behaves when under extreme stress. It is not necessarily an index of malice aforethought. In my view, Jodi has been remarkably clear in many of her answers. This does not mean I believe she is telling the truth at all times, but she does seem consistent in trying to do so. And in any case, she is not on trial for lying but for the possible pre-meditation of a deplorable and venal action in taking the life of another human being. Her story is jumbled and not always logical, but she is describing moments of absolute terror that would or could create serious mental disconnect, if only temporary, in anyone. Whether or not the killing occurred as described by her, enough of her narrative adds up to a sense of reaction -- of someone caught up in extreme circumstances -- rather than a cold-blooded plan. At least, that is how it comes through to me. And again, the media mistakes in equating lying, a common human failing, with first degree murderous intent, hardly the same sin. This ongoing commentary does not credit the democratic process of innocent until 'proven..' etc.

Cate Ellington - March 9, 2013 2:45 PM

Vlad,

Why didn't you correct yr last woman caller on the Felony Murder Charge? Jodi Arias' second charge is for FELONY MURDER. Look it up! She kept cutting you off and providing yet FURTHER misinformation.

I hv been watching this trial from the beginning and have not missed 1 minute of it. I am usually against the DP. In this case so far, I believe the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt (will explain below).

In answer to yr question as to 'how the 3rd gas can goes to premeditation" I will try and summarize. First off...ANOTHER piece of misinformation yr last caller gave was that J Martinez did not produce 3 Tesoro Receipts. He most certainly did and this woman clearly did not watch testimony in entirety. There was one for $19.65, $36.98 & $41.18 and he stated the receipt NUMBER for each charge and showed the time stamps on EACH receipt. (Really clueless as to where this lady gets her info..prob some random HLN website, becs its definitely not from the trial itself.) THEN, Martinez matched those up with her Bank Statement that reiterated the three Tesoro Charges. The total of all three charges is $97.81.

Jodi Arias claims to hv only had 2 gas cans becs she returned a third one she bought at Walmart.

In terms of math, here was Martinez' point. Jodi Arias showed up at this Tesoro at 3:57am to get gas. The car she was driving had a 13.5 gallon capacity. The gas was being sold at $3.85 per gallon. If she was on empty and filled up the car if would have cost her $51.97. If she had two empty 5 gallon gas cans and filled them up at $3.85 per gallon, this would have cost her $38.50. However, we know Jodi Arias spent a total of $97.81, thus far filling up her car and only 2 gas cans, she has only spent $90.47. Her receipts total $97.81 so there is a total of $7.34 remaining spent on gas that she would have had nowhere to put IF she only had what she has been claiming on the stand. But IF she had a 3rd gas can, then $7.34 represents JUST under 2 gallons of gas.


It is my understanding that this particular Tesoro Gas Station in SLC only sold Gas between the hours of 1am and 6am in 2008. Nurmi objected during this part of the recross by JM (of JA regarding this juror question), so we will see whether its true only gas was sold during those hours.

BTW, I believe that JM will be presenting a Walmart mgr witness in rebuttal that will go on record explaining Walmarts extremely detailed inventory system and will show that there were no gas can returns for that day. Walmart has a very sophistictd inventory management system that accounts for every item in store by date and time. They also have an extrem sophisticated Money In and Money Out system showing Returned Merchandise info. It is my understanding Walmart can access this info going back 10 years. I think once Jodi on direct talked about returning the 3rd gas can this opened the door to a rebuttal by state.

But the whole point is, IF Jodi has lied about the 3rd gas can- it can impeach her entire testimony in regards to why she did what she did and the judge may provide jury instruction as to that fact prior to deliberations. Why hide a 3rd gas can? IMO, it was because Jodi is attempting to once again cover up the premeditation aspects of this case to avoid the DP. There is nothing she can do about the fact that the jurors already know that her phone was turned off during the entire time she was in AZ. Could this be because her cell ran out of power? Sure, but in combination with everything else, they can also see it as covering her tracks. The car rental etc. I noticed that Nurmi said NOTHING in direct with Jodi about the fact that the car rental guy claimed that Jodi told him that she was going to be using the car for local errands. She also initially tried to say she was not there at all. If JM can impeach her as lying while on stand (3rd gas can) then, everything else she claims is highly suspect.

In re: to your dissappointment with JM and his approach/demeanor with Jodi. Were there times I thought he could have been a lot smoother? Yes. Times he was getting upset at her over minor issues and he should have saved his outrage for important issues? Yes. HOWEVER, what JM has also very successfully done with Jodi Arias is gotten her to show her true character. Jodi Arias is NOT intimated by the prosecutor. In fact she WANTS to test him. She wants to BEST him. She seems to believe that if she can out wit out last Martinez she will WIN. But she has been oh so wrong. What she has shown is exactly what the evidence thus far has shown. Jodi is NO wall flower. No innocent that was abused by ANY man. She may have had some issues along the way and we certainly know Travis was a bit of a jerk, hypocritical etc and most likely using her, but she has been UNABLE to show even one example of corroboration that shows Travis to be the vile things that she has hinted at and allowed her attorney to be the bad cop with Travis saying all the really bad things about him. (Yep, its obvious the defense knows that they cannot have Jodi being the bad cop, because the risk is far too great...so use the attorney to imply imply imply and to TESTIFY on yr behalf. To me I think based on the juror questions, the jurors have seen right through this strategy and they DISLIKE the manipulation and obvious "trickery").

I think MOST importantly, based on the juror questions asked Vlad, that they do not seem to be thinking along the same lines as you are. I think its obvious why JM has not asked JA the question directly about why the gas cans. She will only lie. And why is it the states responsibility to help HER in her strategy? No, I think the passion you see if the prosecutor meeting this defendant head on and adjusting his style to what he KNOWS she is doing. I also think his passion comes from trying to seek Justice for Travis Alexander.

Lastly you say its evil that JM is going to make his claims about the gas cans and premeditation in closing arguments without asking her the question directly and giving her an oppty to answer. In light of what Jodi Arias is doing to Travis Alexander's memory and stating vile things about him that we all know she is taking out of context fully KNOWING he has no way of answering directly??? THAT to me is evil. And if the civics lesson becomes hey, just lie about everything and you can get away literally for slaughtering an innocent young man??? I will take JM and his approach to cross examining Jodi Arias anyday of the week versus the latter option.

Vlad, you seem to be a very nice man, but your particular practice of defense law is blinding you to what the majority of Americans watching this case CARE about. Justice.

rb - March 9, 2013 3:32 PM

I was thankful for this blog. I have been inbetween on feelings on this case for some time, but I am not a bloodhound looking for someone's head, either. I am trying to be very objective in my feelings, as of course, we are talking about the taking of someone's else life. On the one hand, I have felt it was premeditated; on the other hand, not premeditated. But, the more I think about it, the more I listen, read, and evaluate, I have come to the conclusion there is no real DIRECT EVIDENCE toward pre-meditation. All this stuff with the gas cans, lies in the beginning, lack of memory, sex tapes, text message, etc., etc., none of it proves pre-meditation. That doesn't in any way make me feel Ms. Arias is innocent; she is dead guilty, and I believe she should AT LEAST spend the rest of her pitiful days in jail without parole. But...they have not proven pre-meditation. There is NO DIRECT EVIDENCE imo that points to that. Some things just don't add up to make me feel it was outright premeditation. I feel for Travis's family so much; however, I am angry at Travis for being such a creep, also. He should have cut it off with Jodi a long time ago, immediately after they broke up the first time and not let her in his life again after that. This sex addiction took its toll on both families, and it breaks my heart. My heart goes out to all of them.

Al - March 9, 2013 3:48 PM

Vladimir I listened to about 20 minutes of your podcast yesterday. Firstly I must say you have a tough jod dealing with some of these guys. First you get a guy who says he's convinced she's guilty, but also acknowledges he hasn't heard it all. Then you get another guy who says she's guilty and claim Juan asked her the gas can question, but he didn't!

But what I really wanted to do was discuss this Arizona jury instruction about circumstantial evidence. The problem with circumstantial evidence of course lies in the fact that if more than one circumstance can lead to the same outcome, or set of perceived facts, then some rule must exist for balancing those various possible outcomes. This is where the differences arise. Let's take this particular case and say the missing 25 semi-auto. One was stolen from the grandparents home, and one was used to shoot the victim. However there is no evidence that the defendant stole the first, or that the second one was in fact the first. In fact a California police officer did acknowledge that there were a rash of burglaries in their area. So the mere suggestion that the two are connected is rankly circumstantial and it is a reasonable alternative that two separate guns were involved. There should be some jury instruction that allows the jury to weigh this differently to a case where in fact the same gun was directly proven to have been involved in both cases. The same holds for the gas cans. It seems to me that it is pretty common for people to carry gas cans in their cars when travelling in that part of the country. This is again the most rank of circumstantial cases and a reasonable explanation in the alternative exists.

So I'm not arguing guilt or innocence here. I am just wondering how there is no jury instruction that clearly defines for the jury the fact that in circumstantial evidence issues a reasonable alternative explanation may exist, and in such a case adherence to the due process clause would make it imperative upon the court to clarify this. This is not a case of witness credibility, which may be an issue for the jury to take into consideration. We are not gauging the credibility of the presenter of the evidence, we are in fact gauging the impact of the evidence itself, and whether the implied effect is in fact the only reasonable explanation. I feel that this is a subtle enough point that it should, in all fairness be presented to the trier of fact, to allow him to in fact gauge the impact of the fact. So I guess what I'm saying is I'm a fan of the two-inference rule and if there was any case that bears it out this is that case.

Cate Ellington - March 9, 2013 4:39 PM

Wanted to make several more comments to yr comments on radio show:

1. If, like u say, you think the jurors would WANT to hear Jodi directly be able to respond to the questions about why she took the gas cans (the thing you think is evil for JM not to ask and use in closing) then why in the 200+ questions, No Juror asked that question?

2. Martinez DOES have a dog in the fight. He is supposed to fight on behalf of the victim and the victim's family for justice.

3. You have said various times "She may have lied.." Really?

4. You say that she has not presented like a sociopath because if she truly were -she would have been much better at her lies and conformed her testimony to MATCH forensic evidence, like gun shot last". My answer: Being a sociopath does not mean you have to be a genius. Many sociopaths, confirmed sociopaths HAVE made stupid mistakes. Question: What criminal out there are u convinced IS a sociopath? Plus, IF she were to say she shot him last, there would be no way around the cruelty aspects of this case and it would still lead to DP. What she is trying to get out of.

5. I am so tired hearing about this business that if she had premeditated this she would have shot first. That is so overly simplified that its ridiculous. The Jodi Arias that hs presented itself has been extremely manipulative. I can see more than anything, her going there with intent to change his mind, giving him one more shot (after all I do believe she was still obsessed w/ him and wanted him..no woman does what she did without obsession being involved. And NO I don't put the blame on Travis for that. At a certain point, when does ANYTHING become Jodi Arias' responsibility?) Though I DO agree with you that a crime of passion is also true. But a crime of passion CAN also be premeditated. Even if it were 1 minute before the attack she decided to kill him. To much other circumstantial evidence leads us to she planned on hurting him. Maybe initially it was blackmail, but I think in the back of her head killing him was on her mind. The gun missing from grandparents and nothing else far too suspicious and convenient. Not to mention, why would she ever have told the rental car guy she was planning on using the rental car for LOCAL errands, NOT a long road trip. Notice NURMI never said anything at all about THAT. He wants the jury to FORGET about it Vlad.

6. You kept repeating defense has zero responsibility of burden of proof. Technically of course that is absolutely true. But lets face it, they would never have put Jodi up on the stand if they did not know that the jury is EXPECTING them to prove she had good reason for slaughtering him. There is overwhelming circumstantial evidence from the state. And the reality is while you keep distinguishing circumstantial from direct evidence. This jury will use common sense. The defense also knew they have zero corroborating evidence of all the vile things Jodi with her attorney is saying about Travis. IMO, they seriously underestimated just how angry the dragging Travis thru the mud was going to make this jury.

7. You say that you find it hard to believe that if Jodi had really started planning murder in May that she would have NOT told someone. Really? You think that would be something that most people WOULD do? "Hey sis, Travis has hurt me so badly, I have decided that I am going to give him one last chance to be with me and if he tells me NO, well, I am going to KILL him". Yeah. That sounds reasonable Vlad.

8. The forensics. Gun shot first or last? You say it is more believeable her "word" that the gun shot was first. A woman who has been shown to be a pathological liar, you believe over a medical examiner with 6000 autopsies under his belt. You bring up Flores commentary of the news shows with his statement that gun shot was first. So, you think it more likely that SHE is finally telling the truth, despite this story again helps in her defense, over the idea that Flores just got it wrong? I believe that is crazy. I watched the ME's testimony and found him highly credible. I think Flores was just speaking out about something he really should not have becs he was just stating his opinion at the time. He is NOT an ME. And did you catch the portion in which when JM re-directed Flores he brought up the fact that in an earlier defense interview this sequencing question was asked but that One of the defense attorneys present at interview objected on the GROUNDS that Flores was NOT a medical examiner and did NOT have the expertise. I do not believe that this ME ever thought the gun shot came first. This was a mistake Flores made that the defense is trying to milk for every drop of blood possible and anyone with common sense can see what happened. FLORES spoke out of turn, (NOT for the ME) and was MISTAKEN. That simple.

9. Finally, the "convenience" of the FOG. Travis murder was beyond horrific. If Jodi Arias were required to testify (and did not use the FOG story) about the stabbing and the throat slitting, there is NO way, looking at the defensive wounds on Travis and the absolute lack of injuries (I dont care what she says about these magical and mysterious injuries she CLAIMS are there on her body or were there OR that nobody again saw)on her, she could come up with a story that could in anyway justify the slaughter she did or that would match up to self defense since she would be asked all kinds of minute detailed questions as to where she was standing, he was standing etc. She knows it, her attys know it. No way would any story match up. So they were forced to try the best option they could come up with and imo the attys know how remote the possibility is that it will be believed. I find it so completely incomprehensible that her FOG comes in to play during times of critical issue surrounding her charges and yet disappears completely during times of critical issue to her defense. If one is to believe her story, one must buy into the idea that Arias is the LUCKIEST woman on the planet and yet also the UNLUCKIEST woman on the planet. And if she were "body slammed" by Travis, NO WAY she would get up immediately and start running. She claims she was in the FOG after the gun shot and all throughout the stabbing and didnt regain real consciousness until driving and stopping in desert. We are asked to believe that she was in the FOG whilst going about Travis' home trying to desperately to cover up her tracks and clean up the crime scene.

I agree wholeheartedly with what YOU said about had she really been in a life and death struggle and came out the victor in a self defense scenario, NONE of her actions, reactions, emotions, match up with what we KNOW women who find themselves in those scenarios in real life do. If they are in horror, denial, memory FOG, they are not simultaneously ALSO thinking about covering their tracks. Not to mention the LUDICROUS idea she wants people to believe that she was during this foggy time period simultaneously ALSO worried about Travis' reputation. The self serving motivations of this witness are so blatantly on display that it boggles the mind how some on here are so willing to ignore them. Or even more crazy, like one of your first callers, try to put the blame on the roommates and even some Mormon Mafia Conspiracy some of these nut jobs like to come up with. Yes, anything to protect pretty pretty Jodi. Ugh.

Again Vlad, you sound like a nice guy and I am also usually against the DP. While I prefer Life without Parole, I would not be angry if she did get sentenced with the DP. Her continued slaughtering of Travis and his reputation has really made me feel a hate that I don't think I have ever felt before. I have brothers and a son, so that may be part of it. She is evil and very scarey and should never ever be released again to do damage.

SCainNJ - March 9, 2013 4:51 PM

What the Jodi Arias case comes down to is this. If Travis Alexander would have agreed to change his plans at the last minute and take her along to Cancun he would still be alive today. I have no doubt that Jodi Arias stole her grandparent's gun. She drove 90 miles out of the way to rent a car because she didn't want her car to be recognized since she didn't tell anyone she was going to Mesa to see Travis. She borrowed and filled up gas containers so she wouldn't be traced (But along the way, in her haste, made some mistakes and left a paper trail). Travis was NOT expecting her. She went there to seduce him into taking her to Cancun. When that didn't work, she flew into a rage and killed him. For all of you who believe otherwise, I'm surprised, because if you have been following this case closely there is no way you could believe that she didn't plan it all.

Cate Ellington - March 9, 2013 4:59 PM

Gotta follow up on Observer's comment about pedophilia.

I also have noticed one glaring problem with some of Jodi's claims about Travis and pedophilia. I wonder, did her attorneys NOT do research on this subject?Did they not consult with psychologists or professionals that KNOW about pedophilia? Probably not. Big mistake.

Aside from the fact there is once again no independant corroboration backing up this vile commentary by Jodi and Kirk Nurmi ...the claims about pedophilia are preposterous and Jodi Arias herself in testimony articulates exactly why its preposterous.

(FYI Jodi uses her ATTORNEY to play bad cop here because part of her SCRIPT requires needing to show this push and pull balance of Jodi even to this DAY after all the "horrors" and tears she claimed Travis perpetrated on her, she MUST look to be STILL protecting Travis and loving him DESPITE everything-Playing her role as convincingly as a person like her is capable- IMO, its a poor performance and the strategy and motivation is obvious)

Pedophiles are ONLY attracted to children. Not GROWN adult women. Even IF theyre "pretending to be 12 years old" Jodi. Pedophiles can be married and may have a wife as a beard, but they are defintely not having sex with their wives. That would be a physical impossibility. Adult women are not stimulating to pedophiles. Jodi's own testimony has shown us that Travis and Jodi were having extremely enthusiastic sexcapades. If Travis were a pedophile, this would simply be a physical impossibility. I am sure that on cross, JM will bring an expert witness who understands pedophilia and ask that witness whether the information presented thus far could reasonably be expected to be seen in a pedophile. I feel confident this matter can be put to bed very fast, very easily and once again the jury will be left to wonder what else is Jodi Arias lying about.

allen - March 9, 2013 5:08 PM

I feel that she is definately guilty and totally agree with "observer" in the previous post. How believable is it that a person who is naked in the shower and presumably in a good mood (viewing pics with Jodi and deciding which to keep) would get so angry about a camera falling to the floor!!

Also..........the whole story about the very long rope needing to be extended into the bathroom and then cut with a large kitchen knife, come on now! If her story was true, wouldn't the presence of a rope in the bedroom after the crime help her? Why take the rope? The reason is that there was not a rope, that story was the only thing that she could come up with to explain a knife being in the area.

As "observer" correctly put it earlier, she went there to make one last attempt to go to Cancun and would not be able to accept him going with another girl, so when he said that she was still not going she went into her pre-meditaded plan b, which was to kill him.

I am quite sure that she was also saying things to him while she was killing him like " who's going to Cancun now?" while stabbing his back nine times in the same spot.

Donna - March 9, 2013 6:56 PM

Is this author serious? Just the overkill alone is proof...she didn't stave his attack..which of course he never did, she destroyed him. She had other options and by her own admission got away unscaved. I wonder if Travis was your son or brother his you would interpret the facts. The fact of Travis injuries and the Fact that he is dead is sufficient to me. You are way off base buddy.

Donna - March 9, 2013 7:25 PM

Pardon me I really can spell unscathed...stave off...apologies.

Donna - March 9, 2013 7:33 PM

Steve57...Jodi is no O.J. and Az is not Hollywood.

Cate Ellington - March 9, 2013 8:32 PM

Donna, If you listen to Vlad's radio show, he actually sounds like a very sincere and nice guy (and BTW, polite and patient to a fault when you hear some of those callers) and I believe he does really believe what he is saying. I think he is dead wrong- but I'm sure if I were a defense attorney, I would be thinking along similar lines of thought. Very few defense attorneys publicly have spoken out against Arias' defense so far and have been also critical of the prosecution.

BTW, Vlad, you never really talked about the jurors questions. Your blog was written prior to the questions and I think the questions really gave an insight into their thinking. I would really love to hear your thoughts on how you think they have reacted to the evidence so far based on those Qs.

Also, while I understand you don't like JM's prosecutorial style, and I can understand that to a point, (mainly I just wish he would not show his emotions on his sleeve and allow her to make him angry over minor issues), don't you also, (since you were talking about what you'd like to see if you were a juror..everything), think JM's style has allowed us to see a very different side to the Jodi Arias she has been presenting on direct and in answer to jury questions that we certainly may have not seen if Juan Martinez had not been challenging? That sweet, innocent, gullible, wall-flower, scared and easily manipulated Jodi that was afraid of Travis or any aggressive man is certainly not present now. She is very much pissed off, unafraid and angry and seems to almost taunt him at times and wants to out wit -out last him in her exchanges. She also even seems to enjoy the back and forth like she wants to show off how she can stand up to him. Suddenly the victim disappears and the girl who is not gonna take any gruff from anybody is up front and center

Pachoo - March 9, 2013 8:36 PM

For those who still believe Jodi's bullcrap, look at this:

Taylor Searle posted this on the Travis Facebook :


For the benefit of Travis’s friends, I am going to explain a few things:
1) Why Jodi fired her attorneys
2) What her current position is, and how she defends is

Jodi’s defense was electronically sent some letters in Travis’s handwriting that were claimed to have been written by Travis to Jodi. These letters were analyzed by experts for the prosecution and the defense. Both parties concluded that thes...e letters were forged to look like they were in Travis’s handwriting.

Jodi felt that these letters were necessary to her defense, but her lawyers, knowing they were forgeries, were not going to use them as evidence. It was for this reason that she fired her attorneys, so that she could try to force the use of the letters in her defense. The judge ruled however, that they were not going to be allowed as evidence.

Jodi has reinstated her defense counsel now that she has lost the letter dispute.

Her current story:
Jodi claims that she did kill Travis. She claims that she had to kill him because he was evil, and had admitted to her that he was a pedophile. She also claims that he was physically abusive to her. In her mind, Jodi’s defense is that she was doing the right thing, because Travis was a monster. The forged letters were her only “proof” of this defense.

At this point, without the fake letters allowed as evidence, it is unclear how she might try to paint the picture that she “had” to kill Travis, but there is no doubt that she will try.See More

Some of this we had already surmised. What interests me is that the forged letters, according to this account, were sent electronically to Jodi's defense, which is especially odd since they were handwritten and had been sent to Jodi. This might indicate the sending the letters themselves might have made it even more apparent that they were concocted. And it might also indicate that Jodi was attempting to distance herself from the letters if they were revealed as forgeries.

So is anyone here really surprised? Sounds like a trapped rat. Did anyone ever come face to face with one??

What a lying, horrible person. She went through the trouble of forging ten letters in Travis' handwriting to try to save her own ass.

King - March 9, 2013 9:27 PM

SCainNJ I could not agree with you more. Travis paid with his life when he said no to Jodi.

observer - March 9, 2013 11:04 PM

Cate E. your post is very well stated. On #8 the Forensics....I think it is so interesting how all along with each added scenario of what happened Jodi tailored her story to the evidence and oops! since Flores stated the gun shot came 1st...so did Jodi in her final lies attempting to make her last lie of self defense fit what she thought the forensic evidence would say. with her story of the ninjas she said they shot first.

Who says after they butcher someone in cold blood, "Oh crap, I think I did something really bad!" Oh crap! What? Who says that in that circumstance? Notice in her first testimony when she found herself driving in the desert and she was stating her thoughts...NOT ONE thought was about poor Travis. NOT ONE thought of remorse for murdering her "lover" in cold blood. It was all about Jodi.

Vlad has some way off opinions of this court proceeding IMO. Jodi has stated over and over her supposed reason for taking the gas cans...so to be fair Mr. Martinez has to ask her if she took them so no one would know she was in AZ???? I think one needs to be real here. This is not a fairy tale. It is the real world. It is surprising to me that an atty would think like that.

As far as a pedophile not also being heterosexual I disagree. I know someone who had pedophilia tendencies toward boys that he rarely acted on but was married 3 times and had children of his own. Also an acquaintance of mine, her 2nd husband was in jail for sexually abusing her young teenage daughter. Jail is a very dangerous place for pedophiles ...the inmates have their own justice for pedophiles, and those who murder children.

Statistics show that True pedophiles are NEVER rehabilitated. If Travis really had those tendencies and Jodi was really concerned and wanted to help him then was there any searches on her computer about helping a pedophile? I doubt it seriously. She said she had pamphlets but where did she get them and how did she know where to get them? I can't recall the details of that testimony from her...just that she gave/sent him pamphlets twice.

Also j. Martinez has not yet followed up on the 'secret" messages in the magazines from Jodi to Matt. Matt told her atty. that Jodi told him that she caught Travis masterb. to pic's of boys on his computer in his office. Oops again! Caught in another lie by the physical evidence on Travis' computer showing no such site ever visited. She needed Matt to testify differently to support her fake story and she wanted him to come see her in jail ASAP. This is why J.M. keeps bringing up Matt being someone who would "never betray" her as she says. Part of her testimony about self defense is that He supposedly attacked her in the past when she threatened to expose his pedophilia to the church bishop so he could get help. So proving Travis had no pedophile tendencies goes to supporting no battered women's syndrome in this case. Just more lies on top of lies.

How can being B/F and G/F for only 5 months with these few incidents that she states where Travis supposedly abused her (if it were true) can count for battered women's syndrome? The rest of the less than 2 years time they knew each other they lived in separate cities. Sorry, that is just a huge stretch IMO. He wasn't stalking her. Interesting that in 10% of stalking cases the stalker murders their victim. That is why psychologists advises the victims of stalking to move to another state when they are being stalked...1 in 10 die at the hands of their stalkers.

Emili - March 10, 2013 1:01 AM

All I have to say is Jodi Arias will easily win an appeal. This jury should have been sequestered., I am sure that this jury has watched TV and talked about the case!

Darlene Hayes - March 10, 2013 2:21 AM

I have not missed one day of this trial.....ANYONE who believes Jodi is a complete idiot!!! She is the lowest form of a human being. How dare she try and use the "trash Travis" defense.. Despicable, sick
Jodi should get what she deserves. My heart goes out to Travis' family to have to even listen to such lies! If she walks our justice system will have completely failed.

arabella - March 10, 2013 2:37 AM

JA has tripped herself up many times. Here are just a couple of examples:

When she was interrogated in jail in CA, she was asked if TA had a gun. She answered not to my knowledge. Later on, in the trial, TA conveniently owns a gun.

In a morning session in cross, she says she doesn't know how to use a gun and wouldn't know how to release the safety. In the afternoon, she said an ex boyfriend taught her how to use a gun and release the safety.

While this might not prove absolute premeditation, surely the jury is going to take her lies into account. I certainly don't see her getting the death penalty, but is it so far-fetched to think she'll get murder 1 anyway?

phoenix - March 10, 2013 9:26 AM

@Cate Ellington, very astute point you made about Mr. Martinez's prosecutorial style. Whatever the complaints against it, he has caused Jodi to demonstrate that contrary to her claims, she doesn't turn into a shrinking violet when confronted by an aggressive male - far from it.

@Pachoo, would you happen to know if the Travis letters that Jodi forged can and will be introduced into evidence?

observer - March 10, 2013 10:10 AM

I believe that the gun shot to the face came last, according to the Med. Examiner's statements. I doubt that Jodi really wanted to use the gun as it belonged to her Grandfather and so could be traced to her, if ever found, but she brought it anyway and in her "blind rage" she used it against him cause she had such a hard time shutting him up while stabbing him repeatedly with the knife...thus the severe almost decapitation.

How the bullet came to rest in blood was not from when the gun was fired but possibly when she attempted to clean up the mess she picked up the casing with the towel and accidentally dropped it and it landed in the blood next to the closet where she was exiting the bathroom. Not wanting to waste time or maybe not knowing she dropped it as she was carrying the gun, knife, camera etc. she left it there in her rush to get out of the house.

It seemed to me that she wanted so badly to explain how the casing got to that position when asked about it, but because of her "fog" she could not give the real explanation, whatever it may be.

I doubt seriously if she threw the gun into the desert where it would be possible to find it more easily in the future by someone just walking out there and seeing it. She more than likely threw it into the water by the Hoover Dam which she passed by on her way to Utah.

I also read on another blog that when her first defense attys resigned from her case that Jodi insisted on representing herself. I'm guessing that the combination of the forged letters and what Matt told her atty. about Jodi stating that she caught Travis masterb. to pics on his computer in his office...thus the secret message to Matt attempting to change his testimony to match her's before he testified under oath caused her atty's to withdraw from her case. How do you defend that in court?

I feel sorry for the public defenders. They seem to be doing the best they can in trying to keep her from getting the death penalty. Must be really hard to sleep at night defending a monster and secretly hoping that she gets her just punishment. Would not want their job. Just wish Nurmi wasn't always speaking in slow motion and so seemingly deliberately boring. How hard must it be trying to twist everything in favor of his defendant who's stories defy all logic, knowing she is lying through her teeth, and has absolutely no remorse for butchering poor Travis.

Thanks for this blog giving us the place to vent at this outrage.

observer - March 10, 2013 10:25 AM

Cate E and phoenix, I noticed that the first day Jodi was cross examined by Martinez. She held her own with Martinez...which will definitely work against her with the jury on her supposed battered women's syndrome. She obviously doesn't take any stuff off of anyone male or female, thus her long history of confronting those she thinks are cheating on her ("abusing" her). She seemed so pleased with herself too with all her "smart" come backs against Martinez. LOL! She has a great vocabulary but is so delusional that she is her own absolute worst enemy. Classic case of why you don't put your client on the stand.

observer - March 10, 2013 10:57 AM

Cate E and phoenix, I noticed that the first day Jodi was cross examined by Martinez. She held her own with Martinez...which will definitely work against her with the jury on her supposed battered women's syndrome. She obviously doesn't take any stuff off of anyone male or female, thus her long history of confronting those she thinks are cheating on her ("abusing" her). She seemed so pleased with herself too with all her "smart" come backs against Martinez. LOL! She has a great vocabulary but is so delusional that she is her own absolute worst enemy. Classic case of why you don't put your client on the stand.

observer - March 10, 2013 11:36 AM

I once saw a psychologist interviewed on how he counsels his clients if they are being stalked. He stated that 10% of stalking victims are murdered by their stalkers, so therefore he strongly advises anyone being stalked to leave the state and not let anyone know their new location. they have a 1 in 10 chance of being murdered. don't like those chances. Too bad Travis didn't get that message and became a 1 in 10.

I have a friend who is being stalked and has moved 2 times to different states trying to get away from her stalker. If he stalks her one more time by finding her now he will go to jail, hopefully not for murder...YIKES. Stalking is a severe and dangerous crime. Can't understand why Jodi's stalking Travis has not been allowed in detail into this proceeding. The statistics are really sad for those being stalked.

Maybe the prosecution has an expert witness to testify on stalking behavior as well, since the 911 call talks about stalking.

Halley - March 10, 2013 11:48 AM

It is possible to believe some of what Jodi says as she is at times quite credible. But the sticking point is the way she killed this man Her defense, that she was in a state of fear, would possibly justify the gunshot. But the multiple stabbing PLUS the throat slitting, is not the behavior of someone in fear. Someone in fear simply wants to stop the cause of the fear and once shot, Travis was no longer a threat (though she would have us believe otherwise). The injuries inflicted indicate more than fear was involved: hatred, revenge, and a terrible fury. It is possible that the episode began in fear, but that once it started, other more personal passions kicked in. Anyway, it was overkill by any estimation. Ironically, this fact argues against, not for, premeditation. Perhaps if the prosecution could get out of its own fog -- its own obsession with proving some plan was at work here -- they might get the jury to believe what really happened: the unleasing of a murderous impulse. Whether or not this would convict is another matter, but it would get closer to the truth than what has been going on in that courtroom.

observer - March 10, 2013 12:05 PM

I believe the only item needed by the prosecution to prove premeditation beyond a REASONABLE doubt is the 2 minute time line from the pictures on Travis' camera. His vulnerable position shown sitting in the shower where she obviously stabbed him in the chest first, surprising him and incapacitating him but not enough to keep him attempting to defend himself from the flailing hand/knife of Arias' repeatedly stabbing him (his defensive wounds on his hands and shoulders) while sitting in the shower...and then he was able to move from the shower to the sink where she was stabbing him in the back and head, then he was able to move and support himself next to the linen closet and from there attempt to get away moving down the hallway towards the bedroom, collapsing on the carpet in the bedroom. And two minutes later the picture where she had already slit his throat and was dragging him back towards the shower as a wild animal drags their prey claiming victory.

That is how a 120 pound woman murders a viral strong 200 lb wrestler who has been working out and running and keeping himself in shape without a single evidence to her body that she has been supposedly defending herself and killed in "self defense". No doubt in my mind and for anyone who possesses common sense and reasonable logic it has been proven beyond a REASONABLE doubt...IMO.

All the other evidence brought into this case by the prosecution is just adding to the PREPONDERANCE of the evidence against this stalker, Jodi Arias.

Rita Ruderman - March 10, 2013 1:02 PM

Have the police looked for fingerprints on the bullet casings? This might show who loaded the gun that was fired at Travis.

observer - March 10, 2013 1:53 PM

Rita, no fingerprint evidence on the bullet casing was found in the lab. She could have picked it up with the towel she washed in an attempt to remove it from the scene. This is simply speculation on my part.

She probably brought the gun just in case one of his room mates came home when she was in the act of murdering with the knife and needed to take them out as well. But the stab to the heart didn't take him out quick enough and she had to keep stabbing him cause he kept trying to protect himself and was moving outside the shower...her best laid plan didn't work out so well.

By her own testimony it was her idea to take pictures of him in the shower and she had to talk him into it. She waited around most of the day to get him into the shower after their sexcapades episode and when he made no move to go take a shower on his own she coaxed him upstairs on the ridiculous pretext of getting images of his new improved body physique since he had lost 30 lbs. Only then could she hope to have the advantage of surprise and him being incapacitated on the floor of the shower when she attacked him.

Remember she was already packed with her stuff in the car and ready to go when she got him back upstairs to take a shower....ready to make her quick get away. Cold and calculated murder...no reasonable doubting here. It is just so bizarre and creepy how she lured him into the shower so she could take him out.

Vladimir Gagic - March 10, 2013 9:54 PM

Hi Al, thank you for the kind words. Here in Arizona we have a criminal jury instruction that tells the jury not to automatically treat circumstantial evidence and direct evidence differently. It is up to the jury's discretion to decide what weight to give to the evidence, whether direct or not. As far as issues with circumstantial evidence that you mentioned, that would be for the attorneys to address during closing argument.

I've heard from other lawyers that California is very different on this point.

Soccermommy - March 11, 2013 9:45 AM

To the author, do you know if the jury is provided a copy of the police report? I think the jury should be privy to the fact that the roommates changed their stories. Two referenced seeing Travis on the 5th ( one in the one in the morning passing in the house and one claims to have seen him on the confrerence call that Chris Hughes confirmed he never called in for. This was 6pm). Clearly they couldnt have seen him considering he was already deceased. One of the 2 I mentioned also changed the date he did his laundry that week several times, You hear of police leading whitenesses on their statements all the time to fit the facts. One of the roomate's girlfriends agreed to care for Travis's dog yet they claim they thought he left for the trip early? Why wouldn't TA change the dates with a dog sitter if that was the case? Most alarming is the fact that none of the roomate's or their girlfriends smelled his decomposing body nor investigated the smell if they for 5 days !! Both the police and friends that did find him said they smelled it as soon as they walked in the house.

Isn't is standard procedure for whiteness at a crime scene to have been called to the whiteness stand to recount what they reported to the police then cross examined? I know Jodi has admitted to killing him however there are many holes in her story that don't exactly fit with other things that transpired. I find it suspicious that all his friends and his sisters ( who hadn't even ever laid on on Jodi to this point) all pointed the finger at her immediately.

Also, if the criminal record found for Travis Is indeed his ( I believe it to be considering it has his DOB and address on it and no identity theive is going to show up to probation for 3 years under a false name when they could just assume a new fake identity) , would this information be admissable considering several battery charges including spouse/domestic battery was an included charge?

Vladimir Gagic - March 11, 2013 2:58 PM

Thank you for all the comments.

I will address as many questions and comments as I can during my next radio broadcast March 15 at 1 pm Pacific time. You can see it here if you would like to call in:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prisondemocracy/2013/03/15/jodi-arias-v-government-who-is-winning

also, please be sure to see my other articles on this topic including discussions on the felony murder rule, self defense, and the ability to prove innocence. You can see them by hitting the Home tab above and scrolling down.

Finally, I am very active on twitter regarding this case. You can follow me by going to https://twitter.com/vlga and like my page on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/DefendingArizona?ref=hl

Penny mcdono - March 12, 2013 12:53 AM

I cant believe anyone out there Thinks she should not pay for this crime with her life
i don't care if she planned it or not she shot him stabbed him 27 times and the cut his throat from ear to ear. That is not RAGE ARE ANGER OR JEALOUSY...THAT IS PURE EVIL
EVERYONE THINK FOR ONE SECOND "WHAT IF THAT WAS YOUR CHILD OR BROTHER
AND BE TRUTHFUL....LET US STOP PAYING FOR THE CARE OF NOT EVEN A HUMAN BEING
A WILD ANIMAL WITH NO FEELING AT ALL....

Soccermommy - March 12, 2013 11:49 AM

Penny with so muh reasonable doubt in regards to premeditation I would hate for jodi to pay with her life. I don't think she planned it and they certainly didnt prove she did nor did the cancan motive theory hold any weight. The jury seems to have even forgotten that was implied. Not one question about it. I think something went wrong, they fought and some one was fatally injured. That might still have been murder but to me its second degree murder at best. Not felony murder( this being included is silly and insulting to the jury) nor 1st degree. I think the fact she was over charged, as was Casey Anthony, will hurt the prosecution at the end of the day . Just my opinion if I was on the jury. Penny you also mention to think about " what if this was your child" jodi is a daughter and sister as well and just because you feel the way you do does not make her life any less valuable. Do unlawfully send her to death is no better than the crime she is on trial for.

I keep seeing people referring to costs of keeping her in jail costing a fortune to just kill her! Do your research! It actually costs much more to keep her on death row, go througj the appellant process and execute her. Many studies have proven this.

Milly - March 12, 2013 12:46 PM

Best article I have read regarding this case!

ROAK - March 12, 2013 12:50 PM

@Soccermommy: I like your post. I would like to add several more points. Even if it cost the price of one bullet to execute someone, state-sanctioned murder is considered an illegal form of justice according to the universal declaration of human rights. Europe, Canada, Australia, Russia, Mexico and most of south America have abolished capital punishment. Even 18 states have done so in recent years. They realized that the right to live is inalienable regardless of how degenerate that human being is .
"IT COSTS MONEY TO LIVE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY". It costs lots of money to incarcerate criminals and murderers in a human prison system. It is money well spent! After all a civil society is measured by how well they take care of their old and most vulnerable, and in this case JA is quite vulnerable because she is fighting for her life. She may have committed a horrible crime ( still not proven to be premeditated) but the prosecutor is committing a more heinous crime by meticulously planning to kill someone in the name of justice. Think about it, Mr. Martinez's actions are considered illegal in almost 90% of the countries on this planet! Yet you find people cheering and routing for him! Mr. Martinez could have easily removed the DP off the bargaining table and maintained his "humanity" in the eyes of the civilized world. He failed to be civilized and hopefully will fail to convict JA of premeditation.

Logical - March 12, 2013 4:10 PM

It seems quite hard for me to grasp the idea that fear of abandonment could preside over jealously as a motive for murder.
After all, wouldn't premeditation involve the actual plan to eliminate the person from the face of the planet ? Which of course would leave the person who had the fear of being abandoned....well let's say "alone".
So I say that jealousy and fear of abandonment could be equal motivation to plan or premeditate to murder someone....but strictly out of the anger generated by being jealous or fear of being abandoned....and not by those feelings in themselves.
It is evident that there was much anger, rather than fear, released during this particular crime...

Pachoo - March 12, 2013 5:28 PM

Yes Phoenix, it turns out that they have caught Matt McCartney as the guy who forged the ten letters for Jodi Arias and because of this, Matt is now testyifying for the STATE, not for Jodi and the defense. He is going to be given immunity for testifying about her having him forge ten letters in Travis' handwriting, so yes the jury will hear about it, and yes, this means Jodi is COMPLETELY screwed now. How the heck does Jodi explain why she had Matt forge ten letters in Travis' handwriting for her, letters in which "Travis" admits to all the crap she is lying about in court?

mary jane - March 13, 2013 5:28 AM

There's way way way more to this story than meets the eye .....Jodi please tell us what really happened????? He struggled with you tremendously .........photos alone show that !!! also this case is so high profile !!!!! kinda weird she does lose her memory.and you know what I kinda believe her .where in 2013 ,we've got mind control ,along with so many other Elite ,corrupt individuals.Who really knows ????????? she agreed to please guilty to murder 2 and it was turned down .Boy if the jury' knew that acquittal for sure .I'm praying for you Jody hang in there .R.I.P Travis Alexander .
ATT.Jody your song was beautiful ,you have a great voice .Remember John 3:16 for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who shall ever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life .God has a wonderful plan for your life .sometimes he puts people in certain places to
get them on the right track .remember it's a free gift !!!! just ask him to forgive you for your sins and to come into your heart <3 god bless mjmmorales

CourtObserver - March 13, 2013 5:29 PM

I fear that Jodi will be convicted, even though morally I don't see that she did anything wrong. Alexander used her for hot sex, while claiming to follow a faith that prohibits extra-marital sex. He was a hypocrite: espousing a faith that condemns people for doing the kinds of things that he did, and behaving in a way that he would not tolerate in others. His posts show that he was smug, and believed his way was fine, and didn't see his own hypocrisy. I don't condemn him for his behaviour, but I do believe that anyone who behaves like that does so at their own risk, and doesn't deserve protection from the law if things go wrong. Of course things would be better for Jodi if she hadn't killed him, but it is not reasonable to expect her to have made rational decisions in the face of such extreme disrespect and hypocrisy. I feel very sorry for Jodi and I hope the jury will too and will acquit her, although it will probably reqire a miracle for that to happen.

joey - March 14, 2013 1:04 PM

Court Observer:

You are right. I am called a "Wop" at my work, called a "fag", told to sell or die and to quit if I don't like it. And when I swear, or fight back I am told that it is not professional and I can't do that. So I should be allowed to stab my boss 27 times, slit his throat and then shoot him in the head, right?

Wow, what a great realization. I can't believe you did not tell me this before. Everyone one in the world should have this same right. If you are disrespected or treated with hypocrisy, then brutally murder your way of it. It's the right thing to do.

You are so stupid it makes me sick. Ask you self this:

If your child was murdered in a similar fashion at school because your child was bullying another classmate, would you tell the school and the police that you are not pressing charges because that other classmate was right in reacting that way? How would that make you feel?

Think before you make decisions. Follow the law. You might not believe in the Ten Commandments, but you can't not believe in the law. For those who do, justice will be served. Jody's judgement day is coming.

Vladimir Gagic - March 14, 2013 1:15 PM

For anyone intending to leave "what if it was your child, son, brother, etc.. who was murdered" comment, don't bother. It is a tedious, primitive, and worn out point. It is simple and accomplishes nothing other than starting a silly chain of "what if" questions.

The whole point of the criminal justice system is that determination of guilt/innocence/sentencing is objective and free from bias and subjectivity. That is why jury selection is so agonizingly slow and thorough. Anyone who has a personal stake in the outcome of a criminal trial will not necessarily have justice as the true goal. That is why divorce and custody battles get so heated and emotional. Do we really want that same sort of emotion when deciding guilt and innocence and life or death? It is also why I am so critical of the Jodi Arias prosecutor who seems to have a dog in this fight.

I will no longer publish any "what if it was your son, brother, etc..." comments.

joey - March 14, 2013 1:33 PM

In response to Vlad:

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is simple. It's been proven here. The lying is in fact a determination of guilt. When you lie, you are guilty. It's human nature. It's fact. That is what lying is. It's a reaction to guilt. By definition, this proves Jody Arias guilty of murder. You can prove it was in the first degree because there was premeditation. She planned it. She can't explain in a convincing manner why her grandparents gun is gone, why she bought tons of gas ahead of time, why the knife was missing from the block, and most importantly how she brutally killed Travis. Her defense has poorly demonstrated self-defense. Poorly demonstrated evidence that she was beaten mentally and physically. Poorly demonstrated how the events of that day prove she has told any truth what so ever. She is in violation of lying under oath, proving guilt. If everything you say is a lie, then what reasonable doubt is there to overcome?

phoenix - March 15, 2013 5:09 AM

@Pachoo, thank you for replying. I think Matt McCartney taking the witness stand will prove to be THE pivotal, watershed moment in the State's case against Jodi. As her trusted friend, confidant, and ultimately co-conspirator, what he reveals about her attempts to obfuscate the truth and manufacture a self-defense argument rips Jodi's mask off, exposing a striking consciousness of premeditated murder guilt.

Michele - March 15, 2013 9:04 PM

I believe the the state does not know how this tragedy really happened.Using charges that they hope will cover all their so called "theories".I have opinions on this case but they are not fact.The system is sooo flawed and will never lean toward truth and justice until we change or in my opinion go back to the reason for the judicial system.Take out the emotions,greed, power trips and egos etc.Stop the games give us the facts,all of them!Thank you Mr.Gagic for having this forum and opening up this discussion,hopefully to open up minds!!!

Elaine - March 16, 2013 7:58 AM

I'm sorry but I do beg to differ with your opinion. The state has proved premeditation. I also think that the juror questions mocked her convenient fog. She was obsessed with this man and he ended it in a text message on May 28th. She stole a gun, rented a car 100 miles from home, showed up at rental as a blonde, somewhere died her hair, got gas cans from friend and another at Walmart,(claims she returned this one...no proof that she did) in order to avoid getting gas in Arizona, (which she never did) tried to give him a chance to take her back, when he didn't, she was prepared to kill him. Simply spoken, if I can't have you, nobody will. This is first degree murder and it has been proven by forensics and ME's report. Jodi supporters are sick and I pray that someone like her does not do anything like this to your family member and then attempt to drag their image through the mud with NO substantiated proof.

MIchele - March 16, 2013 11:13 AM

There has been evidence suppressed.We do not get all the facts,only what they allow in.I have not and I repeat not said that she is guilty or innocent because that is not what this trial is about.is there reasonable doubt it was premeditated?It is not up to her to prove this,its up to the state to give proof and fact.The trial is not over and public "opinion"has already sent her to death.No matter what, everyone deserves a FAIR trial.If that is forgotten ,through this all, than we have failed,the justice system has failed.Reverse thhat statement, If it were your family member and you believed in their innocence and they were not getting a FAIR trial and were not allowed the truth,How would you feel?The innocence project has proven the prisons are filled with innocent people.I just believe strongly,we could do better.

Michele - March 16, 2013 11:29 AM


Arizona’s self defense laws, encoded in ARS 13-404 and it’s justifiable use of force with reference to justifiable use of force in ARS 13-411 are in fact some of the most liberal in the country.

13-404. Justification; self-defense

A. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.

B. The threat or use of physical force against another is not justified:

1. In response to verbal provocation alone; or

2. To resist an arrest that the person knows or should know is being made by a peace officer or by a person acting in a peace officer’s presence and at his direction, whether the arrest is lawful or unlawful, unless the physical force used by the peace officer exceeds that allowed by law; or

3. If the person provoked the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force, unless:

(a) The person withdraws from the encounter or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely withdraw from the encounter; and

(b) The other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful physical force against the person.

13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability

A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other’s commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904 or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.

B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.

C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if the person is acting to prevent what the person reasonably believes is the imminent or actual commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.

D. This section includes the use or threatened use of physical force or deadly physical force in a person’s home, residence, place of business, land the person owns or leases, conveyance of any kind, or any other place in this state where a person has a right to be.

There is no need to flee, no restriction on bodily injury or death and no limit to the amount of force that is applied in response.

Furthermore in 2009 Arizona passed a bill retroactively returning Arizona to the status quo of 1997 wherein self defense is not an affirmative defense. This is currently codified in ARS 13-205

A.R.S 13-205 Affirmative defenses; justification; burden of proof
A. Except as otherwise provided by law, a defendant shall prove any affirmative defense raised by a preponderance of the evidence. Justification defenses under chapter 4 of this title are not affirmative defenses. Justification defenses describe conduct that, if not justified, would constitute an offense but, if justified, does not constitute criminal or wrongful conduct. If evidence of justification pursuant to chapter 4 of this title is presented by the defendant, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act with justification.

The last paragraph essentially places the burden of proof on the State (see State v. King, No. CR-09-0333-PR.)

phoenix - March 17, 2013 4:24 AM

I think the state is proving premeditation, and by the time they are done, will have done so beyond a reasonable doubt. Bear in mind that there is virtually nothing to 'prove' otherwise. All the defense has is Jodi's word that her 3rd version of events is finally the truth, and even that is considerably weakened by her claims of memory loss in every area for which there is no good answer supporting a self-defense argument; and this in the face of her counter claim of having an otherwise fairly remarkable memory concerning everything negative she alleges pertaining to Travis.

re: justifiable use of force in self-defense cases. No interpretation regardless of how liberal allows for 9 stab wounds to the back and near decapitation for someone who walked away virtually unscathed.

You can argue the semantics of 'proving beyond doubt' endlessly, but in the end all an objective person can do is draw a reasonable conclusion in any case.

Elaine Duszynski - March 18, 2013 8:42 AM

@ Michelle- I agree, there is a lot of information being suppressed. The entirety of the 911 call, (oh, that would be too prejudicial), the fact that TA's tires were slashed twice and his girlfriends were slashed once (again, too prejudicial), To answer your question, if my child committed such a heinous crime and all this evidence was presented, I would not be foolish enough to believe in his/her innocence. The most I could do is hope that he/she did not receive the death sentence. We must all be held responsible for the crimes we commit. Her mother is sitting in the courtroom laughing (like a fool). Who would laugh while your child could be sentenced to death? Too much evidence against Jodi (where is her evidence of abuse or pedophilia), premeditation HAS been established and we all know that she is nothing but a liar. Anybody that would want this sick individual out on the streets is just as crazy as she is.

Cate Ellington - March 18, 2013 9:51 AM

vlad,

I see you have taken off several of my posts. I can only imagine it is because I have been critical of that ja innocent site. If that is the reason, I find that very very disappointing. No room for POVs that are different or challenge some of the others leaving comments that are simply not based on evidence? No matter what side you are on, I am surprised that if you think my posts are in anyway offensive, that you would align yourself with a website that is so over the top obscene and grotesque (like I said in the post). I challenge you to read the blog thoroughly if you have not! I am sorry but his name calling of the victim in this case- all sorts of horrendous names, along with his grieving family, based simply on rumor and innuendo I find irresponsible and for a professional like yrsf to align with that type of thinking is just scary. Do you actually read the site? I did see you posted there recently. I have enjoyed your commentary, as you have been the first person to write about this case who takes a different view of it than I and who has been interesting to read and not basing opinion so obviously on just their feelings. (Like that site.) So I am disappointed in the decision you are making. But i would like to know... If this is the reason you deleted my posts, how were my comments any different (and they certainly were never as ugly as his) than the posts the editor at that site writes? Isnt it a public entity now and just as much fair game to be analyzed in the court of public opinion...as Jodi Arias or Juan Martinez?

Vladimir Gagic - March 18, 2013 10:21 AM

Hi Cate:

I have not removed a single one of your comments. The only time I will remove posts is if they are duplicates or profane and vulgar. You are certainly welcome to freely post here and while I disagree with some of your conclusions, every thing you have written has been interesting, worthwhile, and sincere.

I would add though that Pitchforks only starting commenting on my blog after I found her blog and commented there first. Thus, I am quite confident Pitchforks, just like me, has nothing to do jodiariasisinnocent.com.

All the best, Vladimir

Cate Ellington - March 18, 2013 8:40 PM

Hi Vlad,

Yes, Once again I am an idiot. Don't know why they disappeared for me earlier but they did- obviously user error was the problem.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. :)

phoenix - March 19, 2013 4:30 AM

I can't believe the defense team and psychologist Richard Samuels tried to pass off Jodi's diagnostic testing assessment results from during her phony Ninja intruders story era as evidence supporting the PTSD memory loss claim for her now self-defense story.

As if there didn't already exist abundant reason to seriously doubt the veracity of Jodi's fantastic tale of murder related coincidences, now we find out that her attorneys and their 'expert' witness are in on the game.

My initial, somewhat grudging respect for Mr. Martinez as Travis' representative is steadily growing more supportive.

Jane - March 20, 2013 6:18 AM

What you ascribe to all women and their motivations is naive and chauvinist. You do not appear to truly understand the mind of a female psychopath, pathological stalker and liar, one who has emotions only for herself, uses her sexuality to manipulate her prey and has passive-aggressive anger when she is rejected after using her only weapon to ensnare what she must have. She went to kill him, and used a 25 cal handgun that was "stolen" a week before from her grandparents house where she was staying. Travis had been on a shooting range with friends before, but had borrowed guns from them to shoot because he didn't own a gun; he didn't go out right before the murder and happen to buy a 25 cal handgun, which is hardly the choice of someone buying a handgun for the first time. Jodi herself said he did not own a gun, until of course it became essential to change her story that he had one but unloaded, and then again change her story that he loaded it once...while no evidence he ever purchased a gun, no one ever saw this gun or knew about it and no holster, case or other ammunition was found in the house.

Interestingly, when she supposedly ran away from Travis after he "body slammed" her, she did not go left out of the bathroom to safety but right into the closet which only led right back into the bathroom where Travis was, Yet only after going in the closet did she think about the "gun".

The fact that she had sex with him only means she wanted to one last time, waiting for him to be in the weakest moment for her to pounce...in the shower. She likely STABBED him first as she wanted him to witness her anger (remember Travis's prophetic blog weeks before his murder where he said he wanted to meet someone and get married but get to know her so he would know she wasn't an "ax murderer".?..Jodi probably read this as she was stalking him and perhaps took this as a slam, thinking "we'll you shall see!" The forensic evidence in fact supports stabbing before gunshot. She likely slit his throat to stop the screaming for fear the dog would hear and start barking.

Her FOG events included, in her version: 1. going to find the knife while leaving Travis with the loaded gun, 2. stabbing him 29 times, 3. picking up camera, 4. dragging him back to the shower, 5. rinsing him off of her DNA evidence from bloody finger cut, 6. deleting the photos, 7. stripping off and bagging up her clothes including bloody socks so she wouldn't trample blood in other parts of the house, 8. putting on fresh clothes, 9. stripping the bed and placing linens containing her sexual DNA, camera and Travis's bloody clothes in washer and washing them, 10. going around house to collect all incriminating evidence such as gun, rope, all her belongings, 11. locking Travis's bedroom door so he would not be found for five days, 12. checking Travis's messages, and 13. driving out to the desert, where she conveniently came out of her FOG and disposed of the gun, her bloody clothes etc.

Had she not left the camera behind revealing time-stamped photos of critical parts of murder, she might have eluded prosecution. We might be hearing much later and a renewed investigation of Travis following the subsequent murder of an ex-boyfriend of Arias. Unfortunately, women like this will kill again and again when it suits them.

Cate Ellington - March 20, 2013 2:53 PM

Jane-

I agree with your assessment. While I understand that there is no direct evidence of premeditation (confession/ eye witness) , the circumstantial evidence is abundant and overwhelming and paints a clear picture as to the obsessive and disturbed personality that is Jodi Arias. This MUCH circumstantial evidence simply can not be ignored and its just impossible that it is coincidence. There is NO direct evidence of Travis' being an abuser or pedoph either. In fact there is not even circumstantial evidence. What they have been presenting as "evidence" the phone sex tape, texts etc is just reaching far far out of the realm of believability.

I cannot take Jodi Arias' claims about Travis as direct evidence. She is a liar and has proven to the world she is quite comfortable lying-not to mention her overall story makes no sense and I believe she has been impeached by JM and even by her own testimony already.

BTW, when Jodi told the detective in her interrogations or discussions on the phone that Travis "did not have a gun", she ALSO added "HE WAS NOT THE TYPE to own guns". Come on people. Do not try and say that in the midst of her coming up with lies to pretend she was not even there she was also simultaneously concocting a lie about him not having a gun. Why would she do that? Jodi has shown us that every single lie she told had a personal benefit and motive behind it that was geared to protect her in some way. Its ridiculous to even expound on. This was the truth about Travis Alexander. He was NOT the "type" to own a gun. I am not either. That statement alone just doesn't get said unless she is speaking from what she knows to be true. To believe this sudden convenient story that Travis just happens to have this gun that no one else knows about it, no ammo anything anywhere to be found, she denied he had guns in beginning before she knew this would be a critical part of her story, is just silly. Come on Vlad. Get out of yr "Defense Atty" posture for just a minute and tell us what you REALLY think about that aspect alone.

rz - March 27, 2013 10:25 PM

And until you have met girls like this...................you'll never understand, but then again if everyone had met a Jodi,....there would be no one left to defend them!

Peter - March 31, 2013 11:34 PM

You forgot to mention that CSI/Hollywood trials are just make believe. I'm not really sure about American law and specifically Arizona law but is circumstantial evidence no longer valid? There was no weapon found, does that mean that Travis wasn't shot by a .25 caliber gun. This is the same caliber that coincidentally was the only gun stolen from her grandparents home, oh yes they could have stolen other weapons but chose to take that specific gun along with other items, from Jodi's room I believe.

So we have the same caliber weapon stolen a few days prior. We have the gas cans which in reality doesn't mean much, it's not really something a normal person would do unless they are going on a very long trip with no gas stations in sight, or? Then you have all these cellular tower hits and lots of receipts showing she was on her way to Utah and all of a sudden, no signals at all. Of course a nice looking woman who is on a very long trip will not bring a charger for her phone, bring everything else including maybe a knife but no charger. Btw, when did she leave a message for a dead man? I believe she uses a rental car, did she not have her own? She also dyed her hair. All these different things, taken separately mean very little but when you are talking about the admitted killer, do you really need any more evidence about premeditation? I have very little experience with the law but I do know that premeditation does not have to be a well thought out plan. Jodi could have been on her way to Utah, then decided as she was crossing into Arizona I'm going to give him one last shot (no pun). This would constitute premeditation. This is not what the state has proven, they in my eyes have proven way beyond that. All circumstantial but all leading to the person who has admitted to committing the crime.

Comparing the lies that this murderer has shared with the world with the intellectual level of Sarah Palin is almost like comparing apples to oranges. One changes her story about the murder of someone she supposedly loved and the other loves God and therefore believes what she believes.

In this case you have a lot of physical evidence, all pointing to her. You also have a lot of circumstantial evidence, again pointing to her. She admitted to killing him.

M.T. - April 4, 2013 12:33 PM

No one knows what happened between Jodi Arias and TA. Only GOD knows. But, based on what I have witnessed in the court proceedings on TV, HLN and the readings online, it is "sad" to see how "UN-supportive" women are to each other.

It is quite clear that the guy was very abusive, controlling and demeaning to Jodi. He had her like a doll to the point of taking away her personality. That guy was like many "women-haters" out there, a "criminal of the mind."

Jodi was a battered woman, Travis drove her crazy!

Cassie Fredieu - April 6, 2013 3:54 PM

I absolutely love your blogtalkradio! I agree with everything you said! Finally I have found someone who sees like I do. I also want to point out that I have watched everyday on the internet in the courtroom on the Arias Courtroom Website. Heres whats getting to me lately:

1) Her journals, emails, and Texts that I have seen with MY own eyes show him to be the aggressor, not her, him the jealous one, not her. I am amazed how people in the media are overlooking everything TA has done in black and white. Dating Jodi, Lisa, and other women at the same time & lying about being a virgin!!!

2) In court there is proof that she had plans to go to visit Ryan Burns and had told TA she wasnt going to come see him and he got mad. It is possible she gave in, went to see him, he got mad she hooked up with him and still planned to go see Ryan, started fighting, he went in to a rage and she had to fight for her life.

3) I would love to chat with you one day on all this.

Cassie Fredieu - April 6, 2013 3:57 PM

by the way also, Jodi is no going to go rent a car and then accidently leave a paper trail. nope

Cate Ellington - April 6, 2013 4:14 PM

Trying to reduce those who know Jodi Arias guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as merely being "unsupportive of women" is to show just how little you know about this case. The women who are seeking justice and truth in this case are FAR from being 'unsupportive of women' and in fact are far MORE supportive of them which is exactly why the Arias defense must NOT be successful. It will irreversibly affect real DV cases in which women (or men) who have killed their partner in self defense need juries to believe them. This defense case is making a mockery of battered womens syndrome and its as simple as that.

It is in NO WAY clear that Alexander was ever ever abusive. I believe (in using AL's OWN words) the distinction here is that TA used a certain amount of AGGRESSION when dealing with an obsessed psychotically manipulative ex girlfriend out of an extreme amount of frustration. Have you ever personally dealt with a sociopathic personality that it extremely passive aggressive and manipulative? I HAVE. Travis was far from a woman hater. Thats as silly as it gets. Jodi ws the "criminal mind". The proof is in the outcome of what happened to Travis Alexander the real VICTIM M.T. Jodi drove Travis CRAZY.NOT the other way around!

ANN ROBERTS - April 7, 2013 11:07 AM

They WILL WHEN THEY ACT OUT THE VICIOUS CRIME SCENE AND CALL SOME REBULDER WITNESSES AND EXPERT TO LIE FOR THEM AND SPEND JUST AS MUCH TIME IN COURT AS THE DEFENSE TEAM DOES THEY WILL WIN HANDS DOWN.

Lynn Sullivan - April 7, 2013 11:27 AM

In response to the comment made about the "history," of Travis with other women, why were the email conversations between Travis and Chris and Sky Hughs not presented as part of the defense? Is there a possibility of perjury charges based on Hughs testimony and the contradictions in email conversations with Travis?


Just as a question? How do you feel media trials like this will effect future jurors? I think eventually we will need a Jury Protection System so that jurors in cases like this will be able to serve with honesty and integrity without fear of personal loss in some form either through social stigma, current employment status.....

5giggy5 - April 7, 2013 11:56 AM

We all have emotional past with baggage. The question do you except killing as a reason to restore a loss from anyone. I say know. composure and respect of relationships is the most important issue. If you ever cared for another, if they don't share your love, then live with it as that feeling will pass another love will take it's place. Jodi moved on after killing Travis she did not have to kill him. She choose to.

George - April 10, 2013 2:53 AM

One last time.................

This crime WAS pre-meditated!! How else do you explain the attempt to hide the knife, the gun, the camera and her attempt to clean up a bloody mess. Also........how about the extra gas cans, and the license plate put on the back of her car "upside down"???

How much MORE premidtation do you need???

Jodi Arias is a sociopath who JUSTLY deserves the death penalty. The world would be a far better place without her.

George - April 10, 2013 3:08 AM

The gullibility of some Jodi Arias sympathizers here is breathtaking.

It makes me wonder if they still believe in The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy.

The Prosecution has proven MURDER ONE!!